clambo71 136 Posted May 15, 2019 5 hours ago, g13webb said: Having watched speedway for more years than I care to remember, I can assure you Wolves is a trick track that give massive advantage to the accomplished rider. Inexperience riders fail to understand the long straight and tight bends. An accomplished rider will make the gate and ride the line. Only when he makes a mistake, will his advantage be challenged. I have watched many races from Wolves and when someone comes from the back its usually because the rider in front has drifted out too far or made a mistake.. When I said that Wolves track favours the gater, it means once you are in front the ball is in your court... I have seen home specialists like Woffy and Freddie struggle when behind, thus illustrating the difficulty when missing the gate this was well illustrated by TJs heat win. Having finally made the gate, he rode the inside line and was'nt challenged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sommelier 1,118 Posted May 15, 2019 6 hours ago, g13webb said: Having watched speedway for more years than I care to remember, I can assure you Wolves is a trick track that give massive advantage to the accomplished rider. Inexperience riders fail to understand the long straight and tight bends. An accomplished rider will make the gate and ride the line. Only when he makes a mistake, will his advantage be challenged. I have watched many races from Wolves and when someone comes from the back its usually because the rider in front has drifted out too far or made a mistake.. When I said that Wolves track favours the gater, it means once you are in front the ball is in your court... I have seen home specialists like Woffy and Freddie struggle when behind, thus illustrating the difficulty when missing the gate. Well you cant have watched Ward & Olsen much at Wolves! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iwright71 206 Posted May 15, 2019 12 hours ago, stevebrum said: Sorry have to disagree, when prepared right there is plenty of opportunities to pass at Monmore with several lines to explore, it might not have been that way in the past few seasons but often that way when Doc was preparing the track. Monmore favours the technical rider who often will be able to pass on those favoured lines. Your not one of these speedway protectionists are you that defends the product religiously but doesn't go very often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted May 16, 2019 15 hours ago, sommelier said: Well you cant have watched Ward & Olsen much at Wolves! Ward and Olsen were probably the best riders coming from the back on any track. Both exceptionally talented.. Pity the crowds didn't appreciate them more when they rode here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,757 Posted May 16, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 7:01 PM, g13webb said: As per usual you are only reading into comment of what you want to read. The truth being I never mentioned anything about his equipment . the only word I used was 'application'., and you don't need to be a magician to understand that. Monmore has always favoured the gater, and I sure all the riders, including Lambert, knows that as well. To score reasonable points It is imperative to get out that gate. When a club has only one renown heat leader it is expected he will lead the way, so in that instance he let the club and the fans down... Rory on the other hand knew how important it was to gate well and subsequently scored 16 points... You're right it's not rocket science, its application.... 5 points is not good enough.... As per usual you are spouting tripe. Robert Lambert is having a tough time in all leagues at the moment and needs our support, not people like you accusing him of a lack of application. The lad is riding his backside off for little reward at the moment, it’s happened to every sportsman who ever lived at one time or another. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 16, 2019 12 hours ago, iwright71 said: Your not one of these speedway protectionists are you that defends the product religiously but doesn't go very often. You're not one of those with selective memory who thinks every meeting was brilliant back in the day? You know back when the phrase "Whoever makes the start wins" originated. Wonder why that term ever got used..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,820 Posted May 16, 2019 13 hours ago, iwright71 said: Your not one of these speedway protectionists are you that defends the product religiously but doesn't go very often. Read wide, I’ve criticised the sport and it’s organisation often. And having watched the sport live since I was a child I can confirm that even back in the golden years of the sport there were dull from the gate racing then too. It’s only those that live in the past that believe every race and match had stunning racing but of course that’s simply not true. if you want to know how often I attend take a look at the updates site over the years that will confirm your question. speedway in its purest form is as every bit as exciting now as it was back in ‘the day’. i also volunteer my services as a Marshall to my local track. I hope that answers your question. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted May 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Bagpuss said: As per usual you are spouting tripe. Robert Lambert is having a tough time in all leagues at the moment and needs our support, not people like you accusing him of a lack of application. The lad is riding his backside off for little reward at the moment, it’s happened to every sportsman who ever lived at one time or another. Probably I'm getting it from reading all your posts. You must have a book full of excuses ready for everyone who has a bad day. The truth being , he is not hitting them big numbers like last year, but you don't become a bad ride over night. Watching him at Belle Vue Saturday in the SON shows he' more than capable, and not having too bad a time. Is he.... Strange that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semion 2,192 Posted May 16, 2019 Webbo is this just the five minute argument or the full half hour ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,658 Posted May 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, g13webb said: Probably I'm getting it from reading all your posts. You must have a book full of excuses ready for everyone who has a bad day. The truth being , he is not hitting them big numbers like last year, but you don't become a bad ride over night. Watching him at Belle Vue Saturday in the SON shows he' more than capable, and not having too bad a time. Is he.... Strange that... The SON on Saturday night he beat Becker,Novratil,Aarnio and Mustonen 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,757 Posted May 16, 2019 2 hours ago, g13webb said: Probably I'm getting it from reading all your posts. You must have a book full of excuses ready for everyone who has a bad day. The truth being , he is not hitting them big numbers like last year, but you don't become a bad ride over night. Watching him at Belle Vue Saturday in the SON shows he' more than capable, and not having too bad a time. Is he.... Strange that... No excuses here, just support for a rider who is giving his all but not getting the rewards. Rather than accusations of a lack of application or effort. It’s what proper supporters do. Better tonight for him, although no surprise on a track where you can remedy poor hating. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 7:14 PM, g13webb said: Probably I'm getting it from reading all your posts. You must have a book full of excuses ready for everyone who has a bad day. The truth being , he is not hitting them big numbers like last year, but you don't become a bad ride over night. Watching him at Belle Vue Saturday in the SON shows he' more than capable, and not having too bad a time. Is he.... Strange that... He didn't beat anybody of note in the SON! You really do keep digging yourself holes with nonsensical comments! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites