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54 minutes ago, 89buttons said:

how would this counter the risk and reward element??

darcy ward was quoted as saying recently at the time of his career ending he was earning 3 x as much in sweden and 7 x as much in poland as he was in uk, capping the uk earnings doesn't affect how they're getting in poland

It doesn't solve it no, but if riders are not in a way willing to risk because the reward is not enough then take the reward away.

Its absolutely spot on why would some riders or most risk a pass if they know they may gate and win in their other 3 heats or why risk a pass knowing that they have 4 rides at least with their other British team

 

Riders are also part of the problem though a smaller % they can moan and say they get 7 x the amount in Poland  but if the UK really was so poor in terms of what riders get out of it then they wouldn't ride here.

If riders think the UK pay is so poor then I suggest they do what my father did, end of 1992 the BSPA wanted to remove the bonus points paid to riders so in essence to earn more riders would be racing their team mates.

 

So he took a stance and said no he won't ride due to this, his team mates did the same only to fall back into teams over the latter part of the winter, my old man didn't out of principal and then just retired from the sport altogether though never officially.

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15 hours ago, Stoke Potter said:

At least 2/3 of the heats last night were boring processional rubbish.  Barely 5 heats worthy of being called a race.

Ipswich another on the long list of tracks that need improvement...

Yes, we know, it can't be done for this, that, or the other reason and the racing is usually amazing anyway.

Why doesn't anybody go to Speedway?  The answer was on tele last night.

...I must have been watching a different match...maybe it does not show on telly, but there was some great racing !

Been to Stoke many times, can't say I was that impressed, no comparison ! 

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I think some just want to see nothing but constant passing,,, very rare in speedway,,,, now if you do want to see that though,,, watch moto3

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15 hours ago, Stoke Potter said:

At least 2/3 of the heats last night were boring processional rubbish.  Barely 5 heats worthy of being called a race.

Ipswich another on the long list of tracks that need improvement...

Yes, we know, it can't be done for this, that, or the other reason and the racing is usually amazing anyway.

Why doesn't anybody go to Speedway?  The answer was on tele last night.

How would you suggest Ipswich improve their track? 

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1 minute ago, Baldyman said:

How would you suggest Ipswich improve their track? 

Move it out to the stock car track :D

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11 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

I think some just want to see nothing but constant passing,,, very rare in speedway,,,, now if you do want to see that though,,, watch moto3

Dead right and there is no dirt on the track there!!

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10 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

Move it out to the stock car track :D

But that's about it,,, and that's never going to happen

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30 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

I think some just want to see nothing but constant passing,,, very rare in speedway,,,, now if you do want to see that though,,, watch moto3

So many seem to get hung up on passing - maybe, just maybe those that make starts are the slightly better riders too! Close racing can be just as good to watch without a pass!

moto3 is always good entertainment, them boys are all out warfare! Throw the bikes at each other from every which way!

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2 hours ago, Blupanther said:

Move it out to the stock car track :D

That would ruin one of the best Hot Rod tracks in the country but putting the tarmac onto the current speedway track would make a much better Stock Car track as there is too much space for good stock car racing on the current tarmac oval. 

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5 hours ago, 89buttons said:

how would this counter the risk and reward element??

darcy ward was quoted as saying recently at the time of his career ending he was earning 3 x as much in sweden and 7 x as much in poland as he was in uk, capping the uk earnings doesn't affect how they're getting in poland

Remember seeing an interview Q and A with one GP rider around 2011/12 saying he got "ten times in Poland" what he earned over here...

He then said he got £1500 a night on average over here... 

I know since then that riders salaries in Poland have been reduced somewhat (as many didn't actually get what was on the table in the first place), however still a huge difference in salaries between GB and Poland so you can understand a different approach, (if there actually is one)..

Maybe not using riders who ride in Poland and Sweden is the answer to improve the closeness of the racing?

Give 'lesser riders' better incentive related salary packages using the money they currently pay to riders who travel around Europe..

As long as they are available 100% of the time when the club dictates they need to be...

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In all honesty the standard of riders in the Prem is much closer than it has been in many previous years. If you have riders of closer averages then the racing has a better chance of being closer. Next level down in the champs there are 10 point riders and 2 point riders on the same track at the same time, that is never going to produce close racing.

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2 hours ago, Baldyman said:

How would you suggest Ipswich improve their track? 

Take some of the dirt off it...

Ironic when so many tracks are so slick, Buster seems to make all his very grippy..

Tracks prepared like Ippo on Monday invariably end up with a 'fast race around the boards procession' with all riders keeping, in the main, equal distance from each other, (presume to give themselves time to avoid the guy in front should he have problems riding though the 'deep stuff')...

Deep dirt to ride in, but too deep to race in...

The NSS, widely considered to be a great race track runs much better 'slicker than deep', and to be honest when you watch old footage of Hyde Rd the inside third of the track was 'slick' with the outside two thirds covered in 'just enough' dirt, not lots of it..

The shape of the bends lends so much to the racing, and as has been said the "fly down the straight/lock up almost to a standstill/fire off down the next straight/lock up almost to a standstill/rinse and repeat", type track simply isn't conducive to deliver great Speedway..

Even more so when 'deep', as riders will always be cautious as to how their bikes will react when it hits the deep stuff on a tight bend...

And if they are thinking about that, they cannot be thinking about racing as well..

And who can blame them?

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7 hours ago, 89buttons said:

imo its the bikes are the problem these days, they're revving so high with so much power it makes them so unpredictable on grippy surfaces its so hard to control, often it doesn't matter how good your throttle control is if you're turning tight and get a handful of grip you're soon just a passenger!

watching jake allen so far this season his throttle and overall bike control imo is top notch - he's similar in style to rory schlein in that neither ever look like they're fighting the bike, always smooth and controlled however hard they're racing - yet exactly what I've explained above happened to jake last week on the top turn at foxhall.

the bikes are far more suited to big wide open smooth and slick tracks where its all about building speed and momentum rather than racing down a straight and then standing the bike up turning tight and scrubbing the speed off like in england - problem with slick tracks love here is the corners/tracks aren't big enough that the riders can maintain speed through the bends and build the momentum - belle vue is....and what do you know its the best track in the country!

the surviving english tracks aren't really fit for purpose for the modern machinery - the bikes have changed massively in past 10-20 years yet the tracks haven't moved with them to be more suited, and the bikes haven't been adapted or aren't that well adapted to english tracks. 

 

You know!  You need to tell most of the rest of them on here as most can't see it or are in denial.

The only part I slightly disagree with is the last bit with the bikes not being adapted.  The majority of tracks in this country have always been sub-optimal in terms of size, shape, space, etc.  It is just even more apparent these days, with the bikes being even less forgiving around a typical tight, narrow British track.

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5 hours ago, AntiqueSteve said:

...I must have been watching a different match...maybe it does not show on telly, but there was some great racing !

Been to Stoke many times, can't say I was that impressed, no comparison ! 

I've acknowledged this issues at Stoke many times, however an "averagely" prepared Loomer Rd would easily match what was served up at Ipswich the other night.

Secondly, I've commented many times on different threads about various tracks, there is always someone who wants to make a comparison with Stoke, well done you get the prize this time!

Stoke, Ipswich and countless others are a long way from being the best tracks in the country, that is Belle Vue, by far.

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