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The Southern Area League is causing me some issues in the for/against points department. California appear to be balanced but i've got odd points kicking with Brafield, Eastbourne, Ringwood and Rye House. California may be affected as those four shake themselves out. The ten completed Aldershot fixtures are also out of kilter. I'll come back to them in due course.

Dealing with the first four, the scores I have are as follows:

Brafield v Eastbourne - 02/05 50-33 & no 2nd fixture

Brafield v Ringwood - 19/09 48-36 for double league points

Brafield v Rye House - 23/05 46-37 & 29/08 46-37

Eastbourne v Brafield - 20/06 27.5-54.5 & 12/09 47-31 for double league points

Eastbourne v Ringwood - 23/05 25-59 & 15/08 41-37

Eastbourne v Rye House - 25/04 34-49 & 18/07 38-43

Ringwood v Brafield - 18/04 35-48 & 06/06 35-49 (and 19/09 48-36 for D.L.P. as above)

Ringwood v Eastbourne - 16/05 51-33 & 08/08 50-29

Ringwood v Rye House - 04/07 50-33 & 12/09 50-34

Rye House v Brafield - 30/05 49-34 & 22/08 53-31

Rye House v Eastbourne - 13/06 60-22 & 11/07 53-31

Rye House v Ringwood - 27/06 51-33 & 05/09 50-34

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5 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

The Southern Area League is causing me some issues in the for/against points department. California appear to be balanced but i've got odd points kicking with Brafield, Eastbourne, Ringwood and Rye House. California may be affected as those four shake themselves out. The ten completed Aldershot fixtures are also out of kilter. I'll come back to them in due course.

Dealing with the first four, the scores I have are as follows:

Brafield v Eastbourne - 02/05 50-33 & no 2nd fixture  Correct

Brafield v Ringwood - 19/09 48-36 for double league points  Correct

Brafield v Rye House - 23/05 46-37 & 29/08 46-37  Correct

Eastbourne v Brafield - 20/06 27.5-54.5 & 12/09 47-31 for double league points  Correct

Eastbourne v Ringwood - 23/05 25-59 & 15/08 41-37  Correct

Eastbourne v Rye House - 25/04 34-49 & 18/07 38-43  Correct

Ringwood v Brafield - 18/04 35-48 & 06/06 35-49 (and 19/09 48-36 for D.L.P. as above)  19/09 double points match covered the two Brafield home meetings and did not cover one at Ringwood; Speedway World and Peter Morrish in his book had the result as 35-48 for the meeting on 06/06 (Speedway World shows Eadon replaced Benson and failed to score, giving a point less for Brafield if he was a non-finisher in heat 8), but I have no record of the meeting referred to as being staged on 18/04 - the second league encounter was on 26/09, with the result being 53-26

Ringwood v Eastbourne - 16/05 51-33 & 08/08 50-29  Correct

Ringwood v Rye House - 04/07 50-33 & 12/09 50-34  Correct

Rye House v Brafield - 30/05 49-34 & 22/08 53-31 Correct

Rye House v Eastbourne - 13/06 60-22 & 11/07 53-31 11/07 official result 54-30 (Simpson ahead of Wilson in heat 11, not as shown on Speedway Researcher)

Rye House v Ringwood - 27/06 51-33 & 05/09 50-34   Correct

 

Edited by BL65
Additional information.

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The results I have for Aldershot are:

Home 55-29 v Eastbourne, 54-30 v California, 53-30 v Ringwood, 48-33 v Rye House, 41-42 v Brafield

Away 45-39 v Eastbourne, 39-44 v Rye House, 31-53 v California, 33-50 v Ringwood, 29-55 v Brafield

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Regarding 18/04 Ringwood v Brafield, the result is on the Brafield Speedway Researcher file but not on the Ringwood file. Though shown as a S.A.L. match it obviously wasn't - so was it just a challenge?

Regarding Rigwood v Aldershot, I have a league fixture being raced on 20/06 result 50-33. Was this actually a challenge match?

I have an Aldershot v Ringwood fixture in the Metropolitan League on 24/04, result 48-36. Did the Metro League become the S.A.L.? The 17/04 Aldershot v Eastbourne is also shown as the Metro League and this now seems to be a S.A.L. fixture.

The good news is the for/against points totals are now balanced across the board.

 

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Just for a bit of confirmation. I have some filled in Rye House programmes for 1954. They show the following:

16 May: Rye House 44 Aldershot 39

27 June: Rye House 51 Ringwood 33

11 July Rye House 54 Eastbourne 30

25 July: Rye House 33 California 21 - Match abandoned after Heat 9

8 August: Rye House 41: California 43 (Re-run of abandoned match)

22 August: Rye House 53 Brafield 31

5 September: Rye House 50 Ringwood 34

Heat 11 of 11 July Rye House v Eastbourne shown as 1. Johnny Fry (E) 2. Bill Simpson (RH) 3. Wally Wilson (E) 4(f). Vic Ridgeon (RH)

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4 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

Regarding 18/04 Ringwood v Brafield, the result is on the Brafield Speedway Researcher file but not on the Ringwood file. Though shown as a S.A.L. match it obviously wasn't - so was it just a challenge?  My guess is that the date on the file is an error and the meeting did not actually exist - the exact same score as for the meeting which did take place on 6th June indicates that is where the details strayed from.

Regarding Rigwood v Aldershot, I have a league fixture being raced on 20/06 result 50-33. Was this actually a challenge match?  This was the S.A.L. match.

I have an Aldershot v Ringwood fixture in the Metropolitan League on 24/04, result 48-36. Did the Metro League become the S.A.L.? The 17/04 Aldershot v Eastbourne is also shown as the Metro League and this now seems to be a S.A.L. fixture.  The early matches were labelled 'Metropolitan League' but the league soon became the S.A.L.  The league result is recorded as 53-30 by Peter Morrish in his book, which refers to the meeting on 15/05/54.  Aldershot met Ringwood in early season home and away challenge matches, with the meeting on 24/04 being a challenge, not a league match.

The good news is the for/against points totals are now balanced across the board.

 

 

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Thanks for sorting that little lot out. Here are the rest of my queries for 1954:

18/04 California Best Pairs - Goldfinch & Mitchell tied on 16 points with Preedy & Baker - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?

25/04 Brafield - WAS ANYTHING STAGED?

05/06 Aldershot Best Pairs - Result shown on Researcher file as a tie between Hockaday & Bunney and Taylor & Mason - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?

27/06 California Eastbourne 60-32 - California Researcher file has just a basic entry with no result and the Eastbourne file carries nothing at all. The result was on my original sheet - CONFIRM FIXTURE & RESULT

Edited by daveallan81
Updated 16th July

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8 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

Thanks for sorting that little lot out. Here are the rest of my queries for 1954: 

Some of the answers found so far:

16/06 Harringay Television Trophy Best Pairs - Waterman & Hunt tied on 16 points with Biggs & Young - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?   There was a 4 rider run-off to decide first place, in which Hunt & Waterman scored a 5-1 against Biggs & Young.

 

06/07 Southampton W.C.Q.R. Winner Charlie May - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  6th July 1954; Charlie May 14, Trevor Redmond 12, John Fitzpatrick & Fred Brand 11.

 

21/08 Belle Vue La Grande Trophy - Sharples & Young finished tied on 14 points - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?  Young beat Sharples in a run-off.

 

11/09 Belle Vue Best Pairs - Craven & Fisher tied on 14 points with Sharples & Bester - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?  Craven & Fisher won the run-off for first place 4-2; result Craven, Bester, Fisher, Sharples (excluded).

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16/06 Harringay Television Trophy Best Pairs - Waterman & Hunt tied on 16 points with Biggs & Young - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?

I have a very neatly filled in copy of the programme for this but there is no run-off race shown nor any comments written in about any outright winner. It just shows England and Australia tied on 16. There is also nothing in the explanation of how the event will work about how first place will be decided in the event of a tie.

Ooops, just seen BL65's post. The compiler was obviously more concerned with neatness than accuracy then! Perhaps he or she felt that writing in another race would spoil the look of the programme!

Edited by norbold
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14 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

24/09 Leicester v West Ham Handicap Challenge 48-60 - WHAT HANDICAP WAS USED - POINTS START? HOW MANY? 

The answer is none.  In the programme for the meeting against Norwich the following week, Squib Burton wrote:

"We allowed ourselves to be 'talked out' of last Friday's meeting!  The 'Hammers' contributed, naturally, with some fine riding and were good value for their victory, but had I followed my original line of thought and asked for a  start of about fifteen points we should just about have held them on handicap.  Unfortunately I allowed myself to be verbally 'softened up' prior to the meeting by the tributes which the Londoners paid to the merits of the 'Hunters', and eventually agreed to start from level pegging."

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On the California items:

18/4 Best Pairs

S Star describes Goldfinch and Mitchell as the winners without any explanation as to how the tie was broken. I have a filled in programme which shows the two pairs level with no sign of a run-off or any other hint as to how the winner was decided.

 

27/6 Cal v Ebne

I don't believe this match took place. It appears in the Calif fixture list but the two SAL matches took place later in the season. The weather on 27 June was warm and dry in the Southern half of England (dust was reported at a meeting at Brafield on the same day). None of the four California historians seem to have a copy of the programme which makes me suspect the fixture was pulled. But this is just supposition.

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17 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

24/04 Edinburgh Best Pairs - Campbell & Bester tied on 21 points with Cuppleditch & Lack - WAS THERE AN OUTRIGHT WINNER?

Speedway Star stated that the joint winners were Campbell/Bester & Cuppleditch/Lack.  There is no indication of a decider in my programme.

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