craigACE 91 Posted August 10, 2019 Are you guys on about the same Lee who was a bit of a character ?. If so even that will divide people from one extreme to another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,085 Posted August 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: He got a wildcard given to him the likes of Greg Laguta never got a freebie ever. And he has qualified every year since... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,085 Posted August 10, 2019 Just now, Crumpet77 said: Michael Lee is the most naturally talented English speedway rider i have seen, unfortunately he never made the most of that talent. Which is pretty much what I said. Yet according to Sidney, that means I classed him as an also-ran... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,610 Posted August 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, BWitcher said: An opinion with nothing behind it but bias...i.e. meaningless. At times Lee may have been better, but overall he simply was not. A career is judged over many years and the achievements there within. On that Lee threw it all away. Also Woofy can put a surfboard on his roof rack as well as a bike 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craigACE 91 Posted August 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Crumpet77 said: Michael Lee is the most naturally talented English speedway rider i have seen, unfortunately he never made the most of that talent. That is exactly what i have heard about him. Not making the most of his talent. Lets just say what things he got up to are probably the reasons why he should not be compared to Tai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted August 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, BWitcher said: An opinion with nothing behind it but bias...i.e. meaningless. At times Lee may have been better, but overall he simply was not. A career is judged over many years and the achievements there within. On that Lee threw it all away. Not bias - no reason to be It’s an opinion based on what I’ve seen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted August 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, craigACE said: That is exactly what i have heard about him. Not making the most of his talent. Lets just say what things he got up to are probably the reasons why he should not be compared to Tai. Any comparison I make has nothing to do with “things” either rider have ever got up to 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,085 Posted August 10, 2019 Just now, Midland Red said: Any comparison I make has nothing to do with “things” either rider have ever got up to Wish people felt that way when talking about Carter, but no, we're not supposed to mention him... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted August 10, 2019 1 minute ago, chunky said: Wish people felt that way when talking about Carter, but no, we're not supposed to mention him... Totally agree - superb rider, top class 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craigACE 91 Posted August 10, 2019 Yeah. Carter. Before my time again. I read the piece that Steve Park did in the Diamonds programme v Berwick in June. Seems there was allsorts to mention about him. Talent. But OMG what happened. Leave it there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,085 Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Totally agree - superb rider, top class I hated him, and thought he was a psycho tw*t, and what he did was terrible. However, we can't change history, and he was a great rider. Edited August 10, 2019 by chunky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted August 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Not bias - no reason to be It’s an opinion based on what I’ve seen Was it his stunning 5pt average in 91 that swung it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted August 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Any comparison I make has nothing to do with “things” either rider have ever got up to Which is why your comparison is worthless as it is an integral part of what makes a rider great. Lee couldn't cope.. Tai thus far has and has shown his superiority. Your argument is akin to me saying I saw Andy Phillips beat Hans Nielsen once so he is better. Besides, all you saw Lee beating in the main was part time journeymen in the most part. Not hard to look great. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,085 Posted August 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Which is why your comparison is worthless as it is an integral part of what makes a rider great. Lee couldn't cope.. Tai thus far has and has shown his superiority. Your argument is akin to me saying I saw Andy Phillips beat Hans Nielsen once so he is better. Besides, all you saw Lee beating in the main was part time journeymen in the most part. Not hard to look great. Bur remember, ALL the riders back then were so much better than today's... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodgy 976 Posted August 10, 2019 In my opinion it’s impossible to compare eras. As BW stated, Tai would beat the past legends ‘now’ every time. However, given the same professionalism today v the ‘said, good old days’, on the same level, we will never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
