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25 minutes ago, falcace said:

What more do you want from a World Champion?

Dangerous question to ask on the BSF!!! :nono:

I think some of the people here have a list of answers on the fridge... :rofl:

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1 hour ago, chunky said:

It is crazy. Most of us who reckon Tai is better are happy to concede that Lee was more talented. Those who reckon Lee was better will concede nothing, because they "know".

I stated that Lee was perhaps the most talented rider in speedway history, yet I was accused of considering him in "also-ran"! See the difference in the two camps?

It's true that people can't (or won't) differentiate between BEST and FAVOURITE, or simply want to rewrite the dictionary...

Steve

Absolutely spot on 100%

1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

You can compare them on bike handling skills too and ability to gate and to overtake and to ride different tracks. Achievements is not the only criterion for comparison.

For me, Darcy Ward is the most naturally gifted rider I have seen but his achievements don’t amount to much.

You can look at three criteria and i will give you 3 answers..... but if you are discussing best rider ....its Tai if we talking about British only

Favourite to watch...........Mark Loram

Most naturally talented...........Loram, Ward, K.Moran, Screen, Gollob, Lee, Collins , Carter

Best Ever..........Rickardsson, Nielsen, Mauger, Woffinden

 

 

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57 minutes ago, chunky said:

As much as I hate to, sometimes we have to generalise.

As I have said before, Lee could - and SHOULD - have done more with his career, in which case he could be considered the best-ever Brit - even now. It's scary to think how young he still was when his career at the very top level finished. Even worse, he could have already had a couple more World Titles by that time. Fact is, he didn't...

Can’t disagree with the fact that he should have achieved more than he did

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It's all very reminiscent of the debates about the Big Five in the old days. It was generally reckoned that the most gifted and most talented.rider was Ronnie Moore and the most spectacular to watch was Peter Craven, but for sheer determination and the most successful were Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs, both of whom would figure in most people's top riders of all times above Moore and Craven.

It is all a matter of opinion and there are no right or wrong answers and depends on what it is that is regarded as the true mark of the "best".

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15 minutes ago, norbold said:

It's all very reminiscent of the debates about the Big Five in the old days. It was generally reckoned that the most gifted and most talented.rider was Ronnie Moore and the most spectacular to watch was Peter Craven, but for sheer determination and the most successful were Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs, both of whom would figure in most people's top riders of all times above Moore and Craven.

It is all a matter of opinion and there are no right or wrong answers and depends on what it is that is regarded as the true mark of the "best".

Didn’t anyone rate the fifth man then? ;)

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34 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Anyway we are getting off topic.

Rossiter was better than Lee or Woffinden.

As a manager? :blink:

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13 minutes ago, Terry said:

Call me dense (or too young-ish) but who was the fifth man?

Joseph Cotten.

Oh sorry, he was the Third Man... :t:

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41 minutes ago, Terry said:

Call me dense (or too young-ish) but who was the fifth man?

Björn Knutson.

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6 hours ago, Gavan said:

Absolutely spot on 100%

You can look at three criteria and i will give you 3 answers..... but if you are discussing best rider ....its Tai if we talking about British only

Favourite to watch...........Mark Loram

Most naturally talented...........Loram, Ward, K.Moran, Screen, Gollob, Lee, Collins , Carter

Best Ever..........Rickardsson, Nielsen, Mauger, Woffinden

 

 

Woffinden before Fundin, Briggs and Hancock? I think not.

Carter more naturally talented than Shawn Moran? Never in this world.

Mark Loram favourite to watch? Absolutely spot on!

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1 minute ago, norbold said:

Björn Knutson.

Thanks. I was thinking Michanek! Still, correct nationality.

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26 minutes ago, Terry said:

Woffinden before Fundin, Briggs and Hancock? I think not.

Carter more naturally talented than Shawn Moran? Never in this world.

Mark Loram favourite to watch? Absolutely spot on!

As highly as I rate Woffinden, I agree that he is not at the Rickardsson/Mauger/Nielsen level - yet. Needs another win or two...

I would also put Gundersen and Olsen in that elite group.

Michanek's peak was 10-15 years after the group mentioned.

Steve

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16 hours ago, Gavan said:

Most naturally talented...........Loram, Ward, K.Moran, Screen, Gollob, Lee, Collins , Carter

Best Ever..........Rickardsson, Nielsen, Mauger, Woffinden

For me - Most naturally talented - Ward, Lee, Gollob, K. Moran, Carter 

BestEver - Fundin, Mauger, Rickardsson, Nielsen, Collins

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