Fortythirtyeight 840 Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, iwright71 said: Must be something else then. Amazing quality of speedway went rapidly downhill from the day F.I.M ordered a regulation change with silencers and the quality has not returned to this day. Probably just coincidence . Silencers were used in the late 70's early 80's when speedway was at its peak so your statement ( opinion ) does not hold water. Rules concerning silencers have changed every three years on average since they were introduced, the biggest change was in 2011 , which lead to some overheating issues but didn't alter the standard of racing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,126 Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 4:45 PM, BWitcher said: Before that Baggy, Nielsen was riding one in the 93 World Final. Still Nielsen fans who claim there wasn't 'enough contact' to cause a fall! A very debatable heat result in the end. I was there in Pocking for this meeting and I remember this race well. In the re-run after Han's exclusion Sam knew his bike was in trouble on the startline and he attempted to leave the track but was forced to go back on by the stewards, as the 3 riders entered the 1st bend ermolenko's bike stopped causing Hamill to fall . The race should have been run with two riders only but Sam was allowed back in on another machine and we all know the result. A very controversial decision given the meeting referee's well known intense dislike of Hans Nielsen. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryW 1,178 Posted July 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: A very controversial decision given the meeting referee's well known intense dislike of Hans Nielsen. I don't think I've heard this mentioned before. Who was the referee that day and why did he dislike Hans Nielsen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sotonian 610 Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Silencers were used in the late 70's early 80's when speedway was at its peak so your statement ( opinion ) does not hold water. Rules concerning silencers have changed every three years on average since they were introduced, the biggest change was in 2011 , which lead to some overheating issues but didn't alter the standard of racing. They removed the classic speedway roar which was an integral part of the sport for me. I gave it until the end of that season then never returned for more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,126 Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HenryW said: I don't think I've heard this mentioned before. Who was the referee that day and why did he dislike Hans Nielsen? Frank Ebdon.... No idea why, but it was a topic of discussion for quite a while as I recall edit Upon thinking about this a little more, I'm sure that I heard it first at a "talk in" in Coventry where Hans was guest speaker. He mentioned then that He and Ebdon had issues but didn't expand on that. Edited July 28, 2019 by Dave Jones addition 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 840 Posted July 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sotonian said: They removed the classic speedway roar which was an integral part of the sport for me. I gave it until the end of that season then never returned for more. So you haven't been to a meeting in over 40 years? wow! Says a lot about this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sotonian 610 Posted July 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: So you haven't been to a meeting in over 40 years? wow! Says a lot about this forum. No, 2011, when the change in noise was markedly noticeable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,126 Posted July 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sotonian said: No, 2011, when the change in noise was markedly noticeable. I agree with that. IMO it was also a point where the quality of racing deteriorated as riders were complaining that" the engines didn't react to the throttle as they had prior to the new silencers being introduced ,and close racing was more difficult due to the way that the power came in". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,244 Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Silencers were used in the late 70's early 80's when speedway was at its peak so your statement ( opinion ) does not hold water. Rules concerning silencers have changed every three years on average since they were introduced, the biggest change was in 2011 , which lead to some overheating issues but didn't alter the standard of racing. ...and caused all sorts of problems when they were introduced with riders refusing to ride on occasions. Recall the Spring Classic involving Ole Olsen being particularly contentious. Edited July 28, 2019 by steve roberts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iwright71 206 Posted July 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: I agree with that. IMO it was also a point where the quality of racing deteriorated as riders were complaining that" the engines didn't react to the throttle as they had prior to the new silencers being introduced ,and close racing was more difficult due to the way that the power came in". Don't go down that line. You will get Fortythirtyeight on your case, he has already told me I'm wrong when I dared to say quality of racing had detreated since the silencer change in 2011. I have eyes , can only call it how I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,244 Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: A very debatable heat result in the end. I was there in Pocking for this meeting and I remember this race well. In the re-run after Han's exclusion Sam knew his bike was in trouble on the startline and he attempted to leave the track but was forced to go back on by the stewards, as the 3 riders entered the 1st bend ermolenko's bike stopped causing Hamill to fall . The race should have been run with two riders only but Sam was allowed back in on another machine and we all know the result. A very controversial decision given the meeting referee's well known intense dislike of Hans Nielsen. ...and Sam admitted that he was lucky in his book "Breaking the Limits". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,126 Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, iwright71 said: Don't go down that line. You will get Fortythirtyeight on your case, he has already told me I'm wrong when I dared to say quality of racing had detreated since the silencer change in 2011. I have eyes , can only call it how I see it. I don't worry about that. I've encountered plenty of posters like him in the time I've been on the forum. Most don't hang around too long usually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,244 Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: Frank Ebdon.... No idea why, but it was a topic of discussion for quite a while as I recall edit Upon thinking about this a little more, I'm sure that I heard it first at a "talk in" in Coventry where Hans was guest speaker. He mentioned then that He and Ebdon had issues but didn't expand on that. Hans openly discussed his dislike of Ebdon in his book "Main Dane". Edited July 28, 2019 by steve roberts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,126 Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, steve roberts said: Hans openly discusses his dislike of Ebdon in his book "Main Dane". I had it in my mind that it was a well known issue, but it was a long time ago and my memory isn't what it once was . Thanks for the info. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 840 Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: I agree with that. IMO it was also a point where the quality of racing deteriorated as riders were complaining that" the engines didn't react to the throttle as they had prior to the new silencers being introduced ,and close racing was more difficult due to the way that the power came in". How is that even possible when all the bikes would be acting the same? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
