Islander15 1,062 Posted July 27, 2019 How are Mildenhall using Leek as a guest for Kelly when Leek isn’t in a declared line-up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waco 1,026 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) Ben Morley guests for Danny Ayres,,,,,,,Weather looks really dodgy for this one on sunday,,hopefully an early decision one way or the other will be made.....? Edited July 27, 2019 by waco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richspeedway 327 Posted July 27, 2019 Yeah hope decision will be made early as looking to come over for this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted July 28, 2019 Meeting off according to BSPA site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racin Jason 72 1,270 Posted July 28, 2019 22 hours ago, Islander15 said: How are Mildenhall using Leek as a guest for Kelly when Leek isn’t in a declared line-up? I think he is termed as a unattached rider rather than a guest. So mildenhall can only use a unattached rider with a average less than Elliot Kelly. And Macaulay fits that criteria. Actually their averages are identical I believe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waco 1,026 Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) Sensible early call saves every one chancing travelling only to find it called off later.. A touch of the Len Silvers way how it should be done .... Edited July 28, 2019 by waco 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,062 Posted July 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said: I think he is termed as a unattached rider rather than a guest. So mildenhall can only use a unattached rider with a average less than Elliot Kelly. And Macaulay fits that criteria. Actually their averages are identical I believe Only unattached riders with a 2.00 can come in at reserve to ‘guest’ or ‘replace’ a rider, whatever term you want to use. Leek has a 2.86 average which makes him ineligible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted July 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Islander15 said: Only unattached riders with a 2.00 can come in at reserve to ‘guest’ or ‘replace’ a rider, whatever term you want to use. Leek has a 2.86 average which makes him ineligible. I thought that was the case (for a while) then im sure i saw in the regs a rider can come in as long as they are unattached and sub 3.00? However helpfully the regs are not available on the SCB site at the moment to check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,062 Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: I thought that was the case (for a while) then im sure i saw in the regs a rider can come in as long as they are unattached and sub 3.00? However helpfully the regs are not available on the SCB site at the moment to check. If that new rule has been brought in unannounced, no other club has used it yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Islander15 said: If that new rule has been brought in unannounced, no other club has used it yet. I could (and quite likely am) 100% wrong but the regs are not available from the SCB site at the moment so cannot verify one way or another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,062 Posted July 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I could (and quite likely am) 100% wrong but the regs are not available from the SCB site at the moment so cannot verify one way or another. I don’t remember reading it when the regs were published online. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted July 30, 2019 23 hours ago, Islander15 said: I don’t remember reading it when the regs were published online. Regs are back and its as clear as ever. But definitely has up to 3.00 rather than 2.00 which makes zero sense whatsoever. A Any absent rider on SGBP or SGBC duty G who must be in a NDL 1-7 or RR B Absent #1 G or RR who must be in an NDL 1-7 C 1 absent rider 2-5 by MA RR (unless RR is already being used then it’s a G) D 2 absent riders 2-5 by MA RR x 1, G x 1 at the Team Managers discretion E Additional absent riders 2-5 by MA any rider not in an NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed NDL 3.00 F Absent 6 and/or 7 by MA any rider not in an NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed NDL 3.00 G No facility Any rider not in a NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed 3.00 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzac 1,013 Posted July 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Regs are back and its as clear as ever. But definitely has up to 3.00 rather than 2.00 which makes zero sense whatsoever. A Any absent rider on SGBP or SGBC duty G who must be in a NDL 1-7 or RR B Absent #1 G or RR who must be in an NDL 1-7 C 1 absent rider 2-5 by MA RR (unless RR is already being used then it’s a G) D 2 absent riders 2-5 by MA RR x 1, G x 1 at the Team Managers discretion E Additional absent riders 2-5 by MA any rider not in an NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed NDL 3.00 F Absent 6 and/or 7 by MA any rider not in an NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed NDL 3.00 G No facility Any rider not in a NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed 3.00 think I'll go and have a few , might make sense of it then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,062 Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Regs are back and its as clear as ever. But definitely has up to 3.00 rather than 2.00 which makes zero sense whatsoever. A Any absent rider on SGBP or SGBC duty G who must be in a NDL 1-7 or RR B Absent #1 G or RR who must be in an NDL 1-7 C 1 absent rider 2-5 by MA RR (unless RR is already being used then it’s a G) D 2 absent riders 2-5 by MA RR x 1, G x 1 at the Team Managers discretion E Additional absent riders 2-5 by MA any rider not in an NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed NDL 3.00 F Absent 6 and/or 7 by MA any rider not in an NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed NDL 3.00 G No facility Any rider not in a NDL Declaration and whose MA does not exceed 3.00 So that reads that a 2.something rider can ‘guest’! But seeing as the rule change was never announced I wonder if they’ve just forgot to update this bit in the regs to 2.00 from 3.00 when the new minimum average came out. Also point G suggests that Leek could cover for someone in the main body with a lower average than him because it clearly should now say 2.00. Edited July 30, 2019 by Islander15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,246 Posted July 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Islander15 said: So that reads that a 2.something rider can ‘guest’! But seeing as the rule change was never announced I wonder if they’ve just forgot to update this bit in the regs to 2.00 from 3.00 when the new minimum average came out. Also point G suggests that Leek could cover for someone in the main body with a lower average than him because it clearly should now say 2.00. Whilst i think you are spot on an the rules haven't been changed it means that as they are currently in print its legal to do and actually reads as if you could replace a missing 2.00 with a 2.99 unattached rider as there is nothing about equal or lower MA in print. However an unattached 2 point something rider cannot be called a "guest" as per the below a "guest" must be in a declared 1-7. Its a good job people don't actually take the rules seriously. 19.11 A GUEST RIDER (G) replaces a regular Team Member subject to the following: 19.11.1 The Guest assumes the position and MA of the Missing rider. 19.11.2 The Guest must be in a current National Development League Team Declaration. 19.11.3 A rider may ride as a Guest (in an Official Meeting) at a Track only once in an 8-day (within that league) period unless he is replacing the Home Teams #1. 19.11.4 A Guest rider in a "double-header" shall count as one Meeting only. 19.11.5 The Guest’s own MA must be the same or lower than that of the Missing rider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites