Lioness 1,410 Posted August 12, 2019 So you are saying the flag marshall was right mac101? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodgy 971 Posted August 12, 2019 22 hours ago, hammer1969 said: The only thing that started this whole sorry affair was Craig Cook and his attitude and the only thing wrong with the track was the holes Cook and his team mates dug in it after the referee had already inspected it and passed it. Out of interest, why would they do this? Also, would like to know what words were used pre-meeting. Nothing wrong with building an atmosphere as long as it doesn’t get too personal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammer1969 413 Posted August 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, Hodgy said: Out of interest, why would they do this? Also, would like to know what words were used pre-meeting. Nothing wrong with building an atmosphere as long as it doesn’t get too personal. Why would they do it? Only they can answer that, the track was fit according to the ref. They had a strong team, Eastbourne seemed to be the underdogs, Glasgow hadnt even changed up to 10 minutes before the start, i feel they threw away a possible win and all the handbags regardless of the talk of who did what and who was right or wrong spoilt what should have been a good meeting. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac101 1,176 Posted August 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, Lioness said: So you are saying the flag marshall was right mac101? No as there was no practice or sighting lap Craig went straight from parade and was heading back to the pits anyway 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mac101 said: No as there was no practice or sighting lap Craig went straight from parade and was heading back to the pits anyway Shirley that was the fault of the three Glasgow riders by not sticking to the unwritten rule of waiting until all the intros and other stuff were over and done with ? and stop using my words . ...(SIGHTING LAP ). get your own script writer . Edited August 12, 2019 by jenga 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodgy 971 Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, hammer1969 said: Why would they do it? Only they can answer that, the track was fit according to the ref. They had a strong team, Eastbourne seemed to be the underdogs, Glasgow hadnt even changed up to 10 minutes before the start, i feel they threw away a possible win and all the handbags regardless of the talk of who did what and who was right or wrong spoilt what should have been a good meeting. Yes agree, thought Glasgow weren’t out of it. Appears they really didn’t like the track or would have got on with it. Would still like to know what wound them up, that as you say spoilt the meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teaboy279 1,038 Posted August 13, 2019 I can understand to a degree peoples confusion with the way the ban affects different clubs differently. I dont see any way around it tbh. Think rugby among other major sports, suspend players for a period of days, rather the matches. It's another consequence of doubling up and if we dont start to restrict this immediately then things will only get worse. It should go back to british riders only, and for a max of 2 seasons (a which point they choose to ride at higher or lower level.) I see riders say they need the meetings to make thier noney, but then they say the bikes need servicing every 20 or so races. So surely it stands to reason that a few less meetings whilst affecting income would also reduce outgoings equally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HGould 2,200 Posted August 13, 2019 Looking at weather forecasts for the next 10 days could be at least one of them (could be any of the 3) actually misses no matches. Not ideal but surely if you are going to ban for 10 or 12 days a proportionate fine relevant to "x matches" or a suspended fine (or Fine in the case of Cook who has previous) would be a better punishment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gazc 6,976 Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, HGould said: Looking at weather forecasts for the next 10 days could be at least one of them (could be any of the 3) actually misses no matches. Not ideal but surely if you are going to ban for 10 or 12 days a proportionate fine relevant to "x matches" or a suspended fine (or Fine in the case of Cook who has previous) would be a better punishment. Oh dear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 8:42 PM, old bob at herne bay said: Interesting ruling led by Mr J Cook’s old friend Mr N Vatcher. Surprised that the only Eastbourne rider punished is Mr E Kennett, when I distinctly saw 2 Eastbourne riders piling into the scrum. Mr C Vissing appears to have received a ban for deliberately breaking the tapes. Surprised that the Eastbourne employee allegedly Mr P Dugard not censured for his aggression towards Mr C Cook. Given the haphazard frequency of the fixtures in British speedway shouldn’t bans be for a number of meeting rather than a number of days? I do hope that the many Eastbourne “co promoters” and their announcer take heed of the results of their overtly provocative personal remarks made during the “ pre meeting parade” . No mention of suggested improvements to the Eastbourne track conditions which started this whole sorry affair. Was this before the Glasgow team announcements? The crowd (as seen on a video) were booing the Glasgow riders very vocally so something must've been said before this ..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryce 349 Posted August 13, 2019 Prior to the parade Eastbourne staff and presenters had made it very clear to the crowd that the delayed start was due to the Glasgow team, led by Craig Cook, moaning about the track conditions. Hence the booing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted August 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Bryce said: Prior to the parade Eastbourne staff and presenters had made it very clear to the crowd that the delayed start was due to the Glasgow team, led by Craig Cook, moaning about the track conditions. Hence the booing. After the Glasgow riders had been bleating on about the track, was there any work done to it, to rectify any concerns ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HGould 2,200 Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: After the Glasgow riders had been bleating on about the track, was there any work done to it, to rectify any concerns ? so much has been written it's hard to remember but recollect someone there saying they did a couple of laps light grading to rectify the holes and mounds the Glasgow riders had made. All of the film I've seen from the now infamous 18 second Martin Dugard clip to the excellent 23 minute documentary shows the track to be apparently perfectly fine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, HGould said: so much has been written it's hard to remember but recollect someone there saying they did a couple of laps light grading to rectify the holes and mounds the Glasgow riders had made. All of the film I've seen from the now infamous 18 second Martin Dugard clip to the excellent 23 minute documentary shows the track to be apparently perfectly fine. Was the Glasgow riders happy after the work ? Seems to be strange/silly to travel all the way there, then try and break it. It's not like its 'just along the road'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ragdoll64 633 Posted August 13, 2019 22 hours ago, Gavan said: Ive been going to speedway for 38 years and ive never seen a marshall standing out in the middle of a track with a red flag Ive seen riders either buried in the fence or lying prostrate on the track and the red lights go on and the marshalls stand on the infield with flags out A red flag does not mean stop...........do riders stop at a red flag? No, they slow down expecting an incident to have occured. Cook was slowing and would no doubt have either left the track or stopped completely Im not condoning what Cook did next........but its absurd that neither the marshall or either Dugard have been reprimanded A sensible post..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites