Conkers 67 Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Icicle said: Since w seem to in Question mode , does anyone know the sizes of all the varying track? I may be wrong, but as Berlin, Inzell & Heerenveen are prodominantly speed skating tracks, I was under the impression they were around 400 meters. Looking at the Russian Tracks on Google Maps, only Togliatti stages speedway,so I think it may be shorter, but Sterlitamak looks like an Athletics track so that may be 400meters too. Perhaps Jesper could confirm this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 4, 2020 My Injustice Pts Table for FIM Ice Gladiators:- ie Actual Pts scored against new FIM scoring system........... Simon +7, N.Svensson & Hutla +3, S.Svensson,Zorn,Ledstrom & Iwema +2, Valeev +1, Haarahiltunen, Ebner & Weber 0. Koltakov,Ivanov & Kononov minus 1 & Khomitsevich minus 2. So after 2 Finals the FIM scoring system has given Ivanov a additional point lead in the Championship over Khomitsevich & actually penalised all the Russians except Valeev. Then given extra unearned pts to the non Russians. No wonder the Russian forum fans are unhappy along with me of course. Castagna I plead for next season "It should be points scored no more no less!!!" However, at least I have a plus today. I got my 3 Wroclaw GP tickets!!! Any comments or am I just being a grumpy old man? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 5, 2020 8 hours ago, steve69 said: My Injustice Pts Table for FIM Ice Gladiators:- ie Actual Pts scored against new FIM scoring system........... Simon +7, N.Svensson & Hutla +3, S.Svensson,Zorn,Ledstrom & Iwema +2, Valeev +1, Haarahiltunen, Ebner & Weber 0. Koltakov,Ivanov & Kononov minus 1 & Khomitsevich minus 2. So after 2 Finals the FIM scoring system has given Ivanov a additional point lead in the Championship over Khomitsevich & actually penalised all the Russians except Valeev. Then given extra unearned pts to the non Russians. No wonder the Russian forum fans are unhappy along with me of course. Castagna I plead for next season "It should be points scored no more no less!!!" However, at least I have a plus today. I got my 3 Wroclaw GP tickets!!! Any comments or am I just being a grumpy old man? The new scoring system is rubbish. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted February 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Conkers said: I may be wrong, but as Berlin, Inzell & Heerenveen are prodominantly speed skating tracks, I was under the impression they were around 400 meters. Looking at the Russian Tracks on Google Maps, only Togliatti stages speedway,so I think it may be shorter, but Sterlitamak looks like an Athletics track so that may be 400meters too. Perhaps Jesper could confirm this? Togliatti ice track is different than the speedway track. It's more on the inside of the speedway track, and around 300 meters. Shadrinsk is a little longer. The artificial tracks are longer at around 400 meters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,935 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) On 2/4/2020 at 10:03 PM, steve69 said: My Injustice Pts Table for FIM Ice Gladiators:- ie Actual Pts scored against new FIM scoring system........... Simon +7, N.Svensson & Hutla +3, S.Svensson,Zorn,Ledstrom & Iwema +2, Valeev +1, Haarahiltunen, Ebner & Weber 0. Koltakov,Ivanov & Kononov minus 1 & Khomitsevich minus 2. So after 2 Finals the FIM scoring system has given Ivanov a additional point lead in the Championship over Khomitsevich & actually penalised all the Russians except Valeev. Then given extra unearned pts to the non Russians. No wonder the Russian forum fans are unhappy along with me of course. Castagna I plead for next season "It should be points scored no more no less!!!" However, at least I have a plus today. I got my 3 Wroclaw GP tickets!!! Any comments or am I just being a grumpy old man? As some will know I am no fan of Castagna over the past few years. This is yet another of his cock ups. Edited February 6, 2020 by iris123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schwantz34 17 Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 3:03 PM, f-s-p said: Temperature dictates it. You try and freeze a track with cold water in -20c you get layers on top of each other that will come off when racing. If its really cold the ice will chop up and chunks could get loose... As a kid I used to help with hockey rinks outside. Give us -5 to -10 and warm water we’d give you a rink second to none. Thats when the warm water has enough time to melt the top of the excisting ice and becomes solid... Some hockey rinks use chenimicals in the water, or at least did, to help with the ice. Soft ice stays together better, I’d say its more predictable to ride on than the kind that lets go when you turn to a corner. What is good or best is subjective. I’d guess a well prepared track with -5 to -10 on raceday is as good as it can get. Never heard anything positive if it goes below -20. On the other end of the scale it naturally starts to melt after 0, so its somewhere in between... Thanks fsp, interesting stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schwantz34 17 Posted February 7, 2020 All too short but Kazakhstan highlights from FIM TV 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 67 Posted February 8, 2020 ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS FINAL3, TOGLIATTI, SATURDAY 8.2.2020 Result: (GP Points in Bold) Daniil Ivanov (RUS) (3, 3, d, 3, 3) (12+2+3) 17 20 Dmitri Khomitsevich (RUS) (3, 3, 3, 2, 3) (14+3+2) 19 18 Dinar Valeev (RUS) (3, 1, 2, 3, 2) (11+3+1) 15 16 Evgenei Saydullin (RUS) (2, 1, 2, 3, 3) (11+2+0) 13 14 Igor Kononov (RUS) (3, 3, 3, 3, 1) (13+1) 14 12 Dmitri Koltakov (RUS) (2, 2, 3, 2, 3) (12+1) 13 11 Martin Haarahiltunen (SWE) (2, 0, 3, d, 2) (7+0) 7 10 Johann Weber (SWE) (2, d, d, 2, 2) (6+0) 6 9 Franky Zorn (AUT) (0, 2, 2, 1, 1) 6 8 Harald Simon (AUT) (1, 2, d, 1, 2) 6 7 Charly Ebner (AUT) (1, 3, 1, 0, 0) 5 6 Stefan Svensson (SWE) (0, 1, 1, 2, 1) 5 5 Ove Ledström (SWE) (1, 2, 1, 1, R) 5 4 Lukas Hutla (CzR) (d, 0, 2, 1, d) 3 3 Jasper Iwema (NL) (1, 0, 0, 1, d) 1 2 Bart Schaap (NL) (d, 1, 0, 0, R) 1 1 SF1 Khomitsevich, Saydullin, Koltakov, Haarahiltunen SF2 Valeev, Ivanov, Kononov, Weber FINAL Ivanov, Khomitsevich, Valeev, Saydullin Standings: (*=Wildcard) Daniil Ivanov 60 Dmitri Khomitsevich 54 Igor Kononov 40 Dmitry Koltakov 39 Dinar Valeev 39 Harald Simon 34 Martin Haarahiltunen 27 Stefan Svensson 22 Franky Zorn 20 Hans Weber 19 Niklas Svensson 17 Lukas Hutla 15 *Evgenei Saydullin 14 Ove Ledstrom 13 Charly Ebner 11 Jasper Iwema 10 Bart Schaap 1 *Vladimir Cheblokov 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 8, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 5:03 PM, f-s-p said: Temperature dictates it. You try and freeze a track with cold water in -20c you get layers on top of each other that will come off when racing. If its really cold the ice will chop up and chunks could get loose... As a kid I used to help with hockey rinks outside. Give us -5 to -10 and warm water we’d give you a rink second to none. Thats when the warm water has enough time to melt the top of the excisting ice and becomes solid... Some hockey rinks use chenimicals in the water, or at least did, to help with the ice. Soft ice stays together better, I’d say its more predictable to ride on than the kind that lets go when you turn to a corner. What is good or best is subjective. I’d guess a well prepared track with -5 to -10 on raceday is as good as it can get. Never heard anything positive if it goes below -20. On the other end of the scale it naturally starts to melt after 0, so its somewhere in between... Refining this a bit. -4 to -6 is apparently the optimum. Thats when its ”top form” resistance wise. Had a talk with som ice hockey people and they told me this. Chemicals are no longer POP. And remember I’m talking about ice. 23 heats of ice racing is gonna rape what ever ice in any form you gonna give them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 67 Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS FINAL 4, TOGLIATTI, SUNDAY 8.2.2020 Result: (GP Points in Bold) Dinar Valeev (3, 3, 3, 2, 3)(14+2+3) 19 20 Daniil Ivanov (3, 3, 3, 1, 2)(12+3+2) 17 18 Igor Kononov (2, 3, 2, 3, 3)(13+3+1) 17 16 Johann Weber (R, 2, 1, 3, 2)(8+2+d) 10 14 Dmitri Koltakov (1, 3, 3, 2, 2)(11+F) 11 12 Martin Haarahiltunen (3, 1, 2, 1, 3)(10+1) 11 11 Dmitri Khomitsevich (2, 2, 3, 3, 3)(13+R) 13 10 Harald Simon (0, 2, 2, 3, 1)(8+0) 8 9 Franky Zorn (3, 1, 1, 2, 0) 7 8 Evgeni Saydullin (2, 2, 0, 2, 1) 7 7 Stefan Svensson (2, 0, 2, 1, 1) 6 6 Ove Ledström (1, 1, 1, 0, d) 3 5 Vladimir Fadeev (Russia)(res) (2) 2 4 Lukas Hutla (1, 0, 1, d, 0) 2 3 Charly Ebner (1, 0, 0, 0, d) 1 2 Bart Shaap (d, 0, 0, 1, 0) 1 1 Jasper Iwema (d, 1, R, N, N) 1 0 Saveli Vedyanov (Russia)(res) (d) 0 0 SF1: Ivanov, Valeev, Haarahiltunen, SimonSF2: Kononov, Weber, Koltakov F, Khomitsevich R FINAL: Valeev, Ivanov, Kononov, Weber OVERALL: (*=Wildcard) Ivanov 78 Khomitsevich 64 Valeev 59 Kononov 56 Koltakov 51 Simon 43 Haarahiltunen 38 Weber 33 S. Svensson 28 Zorn 28 Saydullin* 21 Ledstrom 18 Hutla 18 N. Svensson 17 Ebner 13 Schaap 2 Cheblakov* 1 EDIT NOTE: There was some dispute regarding 5-8th places which Gambo alerted me to. Having just seen the FIM Results, I've amended the scores and result. But the words P!55 up and Brewery spring to mind regarding the Referee and Jury! CUP OF RUSSIA FINAL 2, VYATSKIE POLYANY, SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 8 & SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 9 Vasilli Nesytyh 26 (15+11) Nikita Bogdanov 22 (10+12) Igor Saydullin 21+3 (12+9) Nikita Tarasov 21+2 (9+12) Nikita Toloknov 21 (11+10) Sergei Makharov 19 (5+14) Evgenei Sharov 17 (9+8) Eduard Krysov 16 (8+8) Ivan Chichkov 13 (10+3) Konstantin Kolenkin 12 (4+8) Dmitri Borodin 12 (5+7) Vladimir Bobin 9 (3+6) Yuri Olejnik 9 (7+2) Elisha Vydrin 2 (2+DNR) Dmitri Solyannikov 0 (0+DNR) Final Table Toloknov 50+3 Nesytyh 50+2 Bogdanov 44 Tarasov 40 Krysov 34 Sharov 32 Saydullin 31 Kolenkin 31 Bobin 23 Makharov 19 Solyannikov 18 Borodin 17 Chichkov 17 Olejnik 14 Khazmurzin 12 Khuzhin 10 Urakov 7 Vydrin 2 Edited February 9, 2020 by Conkers Spelling & Result ammendment 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted February 9, 2020 Photo's from todays Final 4 in Togliatti: https://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/1917/knotsgekke-vierde-finale-in-togliatti-met-dinar-valeev-als-winnaar.html @f-s-p I got all the action again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
severnsider 197 Posted February 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Photo's from todays Final 4 in Togliatti: https://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/1917/knotsgekke-vierde-finale-in-togliatti-met-dinar-valeev-als-winnaar.html @f-s-p I got all the action again Excellent pictures. Koltakov's flying bike looked specatcular Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 9, 2020 Injustice Table after 4 GPs. Under last years scoring the Series would have Ivanov leading by only 5 pts instead of 14. How can this be better Castagna!!!!! 2020 FIM ICE Gladiators Pts Scored v FIM Scoring System GP1 GP2 GP3 GP4 GP5 GP6 GP7 GP8 GP9 GP10 Total Pts No Rider Act. Pts FIM Act.Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act Pts FIM Diff Danil IVANOV 21 20 20 20 17 20 17 18 75 78 3 Dmitry KHOMITSEVICH 19 18 19 18 19 18 13 10 70 64 -6 Dinar VALEEV 11 10 10 12 15 16 19 20 55 58 3 Igor KONONOV 14 14 15 14 14 12 17 16 60 56 -4 Dmitry KOLTAKOV 12 11 16 16 13 11 11 12 52 50 -2 Harald SIMON 11 16 9 11 6 7 8 9 34 43 9 Martin HAARAHILTUNEN 13 12 6 7 7 10 11 11 37 40 3 Johan WEBER 8 9 2 1 6 9 10 14 26 33 7 Franz ZORN 5 6 5 6 6 8 7 8 23 28 5 STEFAN SVENSSON 5 7 9 9 5 5 6 6 25 27 2 Niclas SVENSSON 6 8 9 10 0 0 0 0 15 18 3 Ove LEDSTROM 4 5 3 4 5 4 3 5 15 18 3 Lukas HUTLA 3 4 6 8 3 3 2 3 14 18 4 Charly EBNER 1 2 2 3 5 6 1 2 9 13 4 Jasper IWEMA 3 3 3 5 1 2 1 0 8 10 2 Bart SCHAPP 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Carter 62 Posted February 10, 2020 Just because the new scoring system has stretched things out in Ice Speedway doesn't necessarily mean it will do the same in SGP Ice Speedway you basically have 5 Russians who realistically are the only riders who can win an event. So these 5 can ride well within themselves and cruise to the semi final. With a more competitive field in SGP I don't think it will result in the same stretching out if the points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 10, 2020 I think with a more competitive field of 15 SGP riders you could & WILL get riders getting into a semi-final with 7 or 8 pts then finishing 2nd in Semi & winning the Final to get 20 pts. An example off the top of my head is Tai in Gorzow. He didn`t win a race in the 20 heats 2nd in semi & finished 3rd in the Grand Final. So on the new system would get 16 pts yet scored about 10/11 actual pts. Looking at the ICE GP so far the Russians have been riding within themselves in the heats to the detriment of the racing knowing they are ok for Semi-Final qualification then going for it in the S/F plus Final. I hope I am wrong with this new system but I can`t see it improving anything. Why change something that doesn`t need fixing!! A more pressing problem in my eyes is the starts!!! To me if there is a false start all 4 should be back to the start-line NO ONE should be allowed on the track & the pit gate should remain closed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites