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2 hours ago, Icicle said:

Since w seem to in Question mode , does anyone know the sizes of all the varying track?

I may be wrong, but as Berlin, Inzell & Heerenveen are prodominantly speed skating tracks, I was under the impression they were around 400 meters.

Looking at the Russian Tracks on Google Maps, only Togliatti stages speedway,so I think it may be shorter,  but Sterlitamak looks like an Athletics track so that may be 400meters too. Perhaps Jesper could confirm this? 

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My Injustice Pts Table for FIM Ice Gladiators:-

ie Actual Pts scored against new FIM scoring system...........

Simon +7, N.Svensson & Hutla +3, S.Svensson,Zorn,Ledstrom & Iwema +2, Valeev +1, Haarahiltunen, Ebner  & Weber 0. Koltakov,Ivanov & Kononov minus 1 & Khomitsevich minus 2.

So after 2 Finals the FIM scoring system has given Ivanov a additional point  lead in the Championship over Khomitsevich & actually penalised all the Russians except Valeev.

Then given extra unearned pts to the non Russians. No wonder the Russian forum fans are unhappy along with me of course.

Castagna I plead for next season "It should be points scored no more no less!!!"

However, at least I have a plus today.

I got my 3 Wroclaw GP tickets!!!

Any comments or am I just being a grumpy old man?

 

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8 hours ago, steve69 said:

My Injustice Pts Table for FIM Ice Gladiators:-

ie Actual Pts scored against new FIM scoring system...........

Simon +7, N.Svensson & Hutla +3, S.Svensson,Zorn,Ledstrom & Iwema +2, Valeev +1, Haarahiltunen, Ebner  & Weber 0. Koltakov,Ivanov & Kononov minus 1 & Khomitsevich minus 2.

So after 2 Finals the FIM scoring system has given Ivanov a additional point  lead in the Championship over Khomitsevich & actually penalised all the Russians except Valeev.

Then given extra unearned pts to the non Russians. No wonder the Russian forum fans are unhappy along with me of course.

Castagna I plead for next season "It should be points scored no more no less!!!"

However, at least I have a plus today.

I got my 3 Wroclaw GP tickets!!!

Any comments or am I just being a grumpy old man?

 

The new scoring system is rubbish.

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12 hours ago, Conkers said:

I may be wrong, but as Berlin, Inzell & Heerenveen are prodominantly speed skating tracks, I was under the impression they were around 400 meters.

Looking at the Russian Tracks on Google Maps, only Togliatti stages speedway,so I think it may be shorter,  but Sterlitamak looks like an Athletics track so that may be 400meters too. Perhaps Jesper could confirm this? 

Togliatti ice track is different than the speedway track. It's more on the inside of the speedway track, and around 300 meters. Shadrinsk is a little longer.

The artificial tracks are longer at around 400 meters.

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On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 10:03 PM, steve69 said:

My Injustice Pts Table for FIM Ice Gladiators:-

ie Actual Pts scored against new FIM scoring system...........

Simon +7, N.Svensson & Hutla +3, S.Svensson,Zorn,Ledstrom & Iwema +2, Valeev +1, Haarahiltunen, Ebner  & Weber 0. Koltakov,Ivanov & Kononov minus 1 & Khomitsevich minus 2.

So after 2 Finals the FIM scoring system has given Ivanov a additional point  lead in the Championship over Khomitsevich & actually penalised all the Russians except Valeev.

Then given extra unearned pts to the non Russians. No wonder the Russian forum fans are unhappy along with me of course.

Castagna I plead for next season "It should be points scored no more no less!!!"

However, at least I have a plus today.

I got my 3 Wroclaw GP tickets!!!

Any comments or am I just being a grumpy old man?

 

As some will know I am no fan of Castagna over the past few years. This is yet another of his cock ups. 

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On 2/4/2020 at 3:03 PM, f-s-p said:

Temperature dictates it. You try and freeze a track with cold water in -20c you get layers on top of each other that will come off when racing. If its really cold the ice will chop up and chunks could get loose... As a kid I used to help with hockey rinks outside. Give us -5 to -10 and warm water we’d give you a rink second to none. Thats when the warm water has enough time to melt the top of the excisting ice and becomes solid... Some hockey rinks use chenimicals in the water, or at least did, to help with the ice.

Soft ice stays together better, I’d say its more predictable to ride on than the kind that lets go when you turn to a corner. 

What is good or best is subjective. I’d guess a well prepared track with -5 to -10 on raceday is as good as it can get. Never heard anything positive if it goes below -20. On the other end of the scale it naturally starts to melt after 0, so its somewhere in between...

Thanks fsp, interesting stuff

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ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS FINAL3, TOGLIATTI, SATURDAY 8.2.2020

Result: (GP Points in Bold)

Daniil Ivanov (RUS)       (3, 3, d, 3, 3) (12+2+3)    17    20 
Dmitri Khomitsevich (RUS)    (3, 3, 3, 2, 3) (14+3+2)    19    18
Dinar Valeev (RUS)        (3, 1, 2, 3, 2) (11+3+1)    15    16
Evgenei Saydullin (RUS)    (2, 1, 2, 3, 3) (11+2+0)    13    14
Igor Kononov (RUS)        (3, 3, 3, 3, 1)    (13+1)        14    12
Dmitri Koltakov (RUS)        (2, 2, 3, 2, 3)    (12+1)        13    11
Martin Haarahiltunen (SWE)    (2, 0, 3, d, 2) (7+0)        7    10
Johann Weber (SWE)        (2, d, d, 2, 2)    (6+0)        6    9
Franky Zorn (AUT)        (0, 2, 2, 1, 1)            6    8
Harald Simon (AUT)        (1, 2, d, 1, 2)            6    7
Charly Ebner (AUT)        (1, 3, 1, 0, 0)            5    6
Stefan Svensson (SWE)        (0, 1, 1, 2, 1)            5    5
Ove Ledström (SWE)        (1, 2, 1, 1, R)            5    4
Lukas Hutla (CzR)       (d, 0, 2, 1, d)            3    3
Jasper Iwema (NL)        (1, 0, 0, 1, d)            1    2
Bart Schaap (NL)        (d, 1, 0, 0, R)            1    1  

SF1 Khomitsevich, Saydullin, Koltakov, Haarahiltunen

SF2 Valeev, Ivanov, Kononov, Weber

FINAL Ivanov, Khomitsevich, Valeev, Saydullin

Standings: (*=Wildcard)
Daniil Ivanov 60
Dmitri Khomitsevich 54
Igor Kononov 40
Dmitry Koltakov 39
Dinar Valeev 39
Harald Simon 34
Martin Haarahiltunen 27
Stefan Svensson 22
Franky Zorn 20
Hans Weber 19
Niklas Svensson 17
Lukas Hutla 15
*Evgenei Saydullin 14
Ove Ledstrom 13
Charly Ebner 11
Jasper Iwema 10
Bart Schaap 1
*Vladimir Cheblokov 1    

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On 2/4/2020 at 5:03 PM, f-s-p said:

Temperature dictates it. You try and freeze a track with cold water in -20c you get layers on top of each other that will come off when racing. If its really cold the ice will chop up and chunks could get loose... As a kid I used to help with hockey rinks outside. Give us -5 to -10 and warm water we’d give you a rink second to none. Thats when the warm water has enough time to melt the top of the excisting ice and becomes solid... Some hockey rinks use chenimicals in the water, or at least did, to help with the ice.

Soft ice stays together better, I’d say its more predictable to ride on than the kind that lets go when you turn to a corner. 

What is good or best is subjective. I’d guess a well prepared track with -5 to -10 on raceday is as good as it can get. Never heard anything positive if it goes below -20. On the other end of the scale it naturally starts to melt after 0, so its somewhere in between...

Refining this a bit. -4 to -6 is apparently the optimum. Thats when its ”top form” resistance wise. Had a talk with som ice hockey people and they told me this. Chemicals are no longer POP.

And remember I’m talking about ice. 23 heats of ice racing is gonna rape what ever ice in any form you gonna give them...

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ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS FINAL 4, TOGLIATTI, SUNDAY 8.2.2020

Result: (GP Points in Bold)

Dinar Valeev         (3, 3, 3, 2, 3)(14+2+3)    19     20
Daniil Ivanov         (3, 3, 3, 1, 2)(12+3+2)    17    18
Igor Kononov         (2, 3, 2, 3, 3)(13+3+1)    17    16
Johann Weber        (R, 2, 1, 3, 2)(8+2+d)    10    14

Dmitri Koltakov        (1, 3, 3, 2, 2)(11+F)    11    12
Martin Haarahiltunen    (3, 1, 2, 1, 3)(10+1)    11    11

Dmitri Khomitsevich    (2, 2, 3, 3, 3)(13+R)    13   10
Harald Simon        (0, 2, 2, 3, 1)(8+0)    8    9

Franky Zorn        (3, 1, 1, 2, 0)        7    8
Evgeni Saydullin    (2, 2, 0, 2, 1)        7    7
Stefan Svensson        (2, 0, 2, 1, 1)        6    6
Ove Ledström        (1, 1, 1, 0, d)        3    5
Vladimir Fadeev (Russia)(res)    (2)            2    4
Lukas Hutla        (1, 0, 1, d, 0)        2    3
Charly Ebner        (1, 0, 0, 0, d)        1    2
Bart Shaap        (d, 0, 0, 1, 0)        1    1
Jasper Iwema        (d, 1, R, N, N)        1    0
Saveli Vedyanov (Russia)(res)     (d)            0    0

SF1: Ivanov, Valeev, Haarahiltunen, Simon
SF2: Kononov, Weber, Koltakov F, Khomitsevich R 
FINAL: Valeev, Ivanov, Kononov, Weber

OVERALL: (*=Wildcard)
Ivanov 78
Khomitsevich 64
Valeev 59
Kononov 56
Koltakov 51
Simon 43
Haarahiltunen 38
Weber 33
S. Svensson 28
Zorn 28
Saydullin* 21
Ledstrom 18
Hutla 18
N. Svensson 17
Ebner 13

Schaap 2
Cheblakov* 1

EDIT NOTE: There was some dispute regarding 5-8th places which Gambo alerted me to. Having just seen the FIM Results, I've amended the scores and result. But the words P!55 up and Brewery spring to mind regarding the Referee and Jury!

CUP OF RUSSIA FINAL 2, VYATSKIE POLYANY, 
SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 8 & SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 9

Vasilli Nesytyh 26 (15+11)
Nikita Bogdanov 22 (10+12)
Igor Saydullin 21+3 (12+9)
Nikita Tarasov 21+2 (9+12)
Nikita Toloknov 21 (11+10)
Sergei Makharov 19 (5+14)
Evgenei Sharov 17 (9+8)
Eduard Krysov 16 (8+8)
Ivan Chichkov 13 (10+3)
Konstantin Kolenkin 12 (4+8)
Dmitri Borodin 12 (5+7)
Vladimir Bobin 9 (3+6)
Yuri Olejnik 9 (7+2)
Elisha Vydrin 2 (2+DNR)
Dmitri Solyannikov 0 (0+DNR)

Final Table

Toloknov 50+3
Nesytyh 50+2
Bogdanov 44
Tarasov 40
Krysov 34
Sharov 32
Saydullin 31
Kolenkin 31
Bobin 23
Makharov 19
Solyannikov 18
Borodin 17
Chichkov 17
Olejnik 14
Khazmurzin 12
Khuzhin 10
Urakov 7
Vydrin 2

Edited by Conkers
Spelling & Result ammendment
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Injustice Table after 4 GPs. Under last years scoring the Series would have Ivanov leading by only 5 pts instead of 14. How can this be better Castagna!!!!!

2020 FIM ICE Gladiators Pts Scored v FIM Scoring System                                    
    GP1   GP2   GP3   GP4   GP5   GP6   GP7   GP8   GP9   GP10   Total Pts
No Rider Act. Pts FIM Act.Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act Pts FIM Diff
  Danil IVANOV 21 20 20 20 17 20 17 18                         75 78 3
  Dmitry KHOMITSEVICH 19 18 19 18 19 18 13 10                         70 64 -6
  Dinar VALEEV 11 10 10 12 15 16 19 20                         55 58 3
  Igor KONONOV 14 14 15 14 14 12 17 16                         60 56 -4
  Dmitry KOLTAKOV 12 11 16 16 13 11 11 12                         52 50 -2
  Harald SIMON 11 16 9 11 6 7 8 9                         34 43 9
  Martin HAARAHILTUNEN 13 12 6 7 7 10 11 11                         37 40 3
  Johan WEBER 8 9 2 1 6 9 10 14                         26 33 7
  Franz ZORN 5 6 5 6 6 8 7 8                         23 28 5
  STEFAN SVENSSON 5 7 9 9 5 5 6 6                         25 27 2
  Niclas SVENSSON 6 8 9 10 0 0 0 0                         15 18 3
  Ove LEDSTROM 4 5 3 4 5 4 3 5                         15 18 3
  Lukas HUTLA 3 4 6 8 3 3 2 3                         14 18 4
  Charly EBNER 1 2 2 3 5 6 1 2                         9 13 4
  Jasper IWEMA 3 3 3 5 1 2 1 0                         8 10 2
  Bart SCHAPP 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1                         2 2

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Just because the new scoring system has stretched things out in Ice Speedway doesn't necessarily mean it will do the same in SGP

Ice Speedway you basically have 5 Russians who realistically are the only riders who can win an event. So these 5 can ride well within themselves and cruise to the semi final. 

With a more competitive field in SGP I don't think it will result in the same stretching out if the points.

 

 

 

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I think with a more competitive field of 15 SGP riders you could & WILL get riders getting into a semi-final with 7 or 8 pts then finishing 2nd in Semi & winning the Final to get 20 pts.

An example off the top of my head is Tai in Gorzow. He didn`t win a race in the 20 heats 2nd in semi & finished 3rd in the Grand Final. So on the new system would get 16 pts yet scored about  10/11 actual pts.

Looking at the ICE GP so far the Russians have been riding within themselves in the heats to the detriment of the racing knowing they are ok for Semi-Final qualification then going for it in the S/F plus Final. 

I hope I am wrong with this new system but I can`t see it improving anything. Why change something that doesn`t need fixing!!

A more pressing problem in my eyes is the starts!!! To me if there is a false start all 4 should be back to the start-line NO ONE should be allowed on the track & the pit gate should remain closed.

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