f-s-p 832 Posted February 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, steve69 said: I think with a more competitive field of 15 SGP riders you could & WILL get riders getting into a semi-final with 7 or 8 pts then finishing 2nd in Semi & winning the Final to get 20 pts. An example off the top of my head is Tai in Gorzow. He didn`t win a race in the 20 heats 2nd in semi & finished 3rd in the Grand Final. So on the new system would get 16 pts yet scored about 10/11 actual pts. Looking at the ICE GP so far the Russians have been riding within themselves in the heats to the detriment of the racing knowing they are ok for Semi- A more pressing problem in my eyes is the starts!!! To me if there is a false start all 4 should be back to the start-line NO ONE should be allowed on the track & the pit gate should remain closed. Pit gate open or not, the heat will be under new two minutes. It’s not a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 10, 2020 The problem that a rider can tweak his set at the pit gate if he has got it wrong. The other problem is that the meeting is delayed for probably near on 5 minutes. Not just the 2 minutes which are never put immediately after the false start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 11, 2020 9 hours ago, steve69 said: The problem that a rider can tweak his set at the pit gate if he has got it wrong. The other problem is that the meeting is delayed for probably near on 5 minutes. Not just the 2 minutes which are never put immediately after the false start. And the problem is the ref, not the riders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 11, 2020 Finnish final postponed to March 21st due to weather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 67 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: Finnish final postponed to March 21st due to weather. Won't that clash with the European Final? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted February 11, 2020 It does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 11, 2020 Yes But it was the one date left. Not that many years ago when Ufa could not decide if they were to host the EC or not the situation was the same, but then we had 2 allocations, only one now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schwantz34 17 Posted February 14, 2020 Great ride by Weber second day, and incredible stuff by Ivanov to stay on board in that final. I watched one of the Russian YouTubers videos containing all races from both days, you can't help but be disappointed by some of the westerners like Schaap, Ebner and even fan favourite Zorn. To me it looks like Zorn must have a decent budget and Simon the opposite, aside from being a quick starter Zorn has very little fight about him whereas Simon gets stuck in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,939 Posted February 15, 2020 No doubt Franky has seen better days, but he did have a couple of nasty spills last season and has only just recovered from his hand injury just before the season started. I guess it leaves a mental scare or two. But he had some fight in him in previous seasons. Pletschacher for me was the rider who used to get out the gate then drop back as one by one the others passed him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 67 Posted February 15, 2020 The Under 21 Team Cup Of Russia Final 2 at Izhvesk was cancelled due to a poor track and safety concerns at the Stadium. Apparently the track was too thin at the edges, the inside line made the bends impossible to negotiate, plus there was no proper run off area that seems to be a feature of the Russian Tracks. There were also complaints about the Stadium in that the changing rooms were too small and the pits couldn't fit in all the bikes safely . Nikita Tarasov has posted some pics of the track and Pits on Instagram. The last time they staged a meeting at Ishvesk was 2011. Stadium Improvements are supposed to have been carried out, but the general consensus is that Ice Speedway may never be staged there again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 67 Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL 5, SHADRINSK, FEBRUARY 15 Dmitri Khomitsevich (3, 3, 2, 3, 3)(14+3+3) 20 20 Dinar Valeev (3, d, 3, 2, 3)(11+3+2) 16 18 Dmitri Koltakov (2, 3, 2, 3, 3)(13+2+1) 16 16 Johann Weber (1, 2, 2, 2, 2)(9+2+0) 11 14 Daniil Ivanov (3, 1, 3, 3, 3)(13+1) 14 12 Konstantin Kolenkin (2, 2, 2, 3, 2)(11+1) 12 11 Igor Kononov (3, 3, 3, 1, 2)(12+0) 12 10 Harald Simon (2, 1, 3, 1, 1)(8+0) 8 9 Niclas Svensson (1, 3, 1, 2, F) 7 8 Stefan Svensson (1, 2, 0, 2, 1) 6 7 Ove Ledström (2, 0, R, 1, 2) 5 6 Martin Haarahiltunen (1, 2, 1, 1, 0) 5 5 Charly Ebner (0, 1, 1, 0, 1) 3 4 Franky Zorn (0, 1, 0, 0, 1) 2 3 Jasper Iwema (0, 0, 1, 0, 0) 1 2 Bart Schaap (0, 0, 0, 0, 0) 0 1 SF1: Khomitsevich, Weber, Kolenkin, Kononov SF2: Valeev, Koltakov, Ivanov, Simon FINAL: Khomitsevich, Valeev, Koltakov, Weber OVERALL (*=WILDCARD) Daniil Ivanov 90 Dmitry Khomitsevich 84 Dinar Valeev 77 Dmitry Koltakov 67 Igor Kononov 66 Harald Simon 52 Johann Weber 47 Martin Haarahiltunen 43 Stefan Svensson 35 Franky Zorn 31 Niclas Svensson 25 Ove Ledström 24 Evgeniy Saydullin* 21 Lukas Hutla 18 Charly Ebner 17 Jasper Iwema 12 Konstantin Kolenkin* 11 Bart Schaap 3 Vladimir Cheblokov* 1 Hung on waiting for the FIM Results after last weeks events! Edited February 15, 2020 by Conkers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 15, 2020 Apologises to keep banging on about the new FIM Scoring System. If the scoring system was actual pts then Khomitsevich would have a 1 point lead in the World |Championship yet Ivanov has a 6 pts `Injustice Lead` And Kononov would be 3rd instead of Valeev. How can that be fair!!!! the latest INJUSTICE TABLE is ..............& I worry for the SGP season. Could go the same way as the 1st SoN Final where GB were robbed by Russia!!!! GP1 GP2 GP3 GP4 GP5 GP6 GP7 GP8 GP9 GP10 Total Pts No Rider Act. Pts FIM Act.Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act Pts FIMx Diff Danil IVANOV 21 20 20 20 17 20 17 18 14 12 89 90 1 Dmitry KHOMITSEVICH 19 18 19 18 19 18 13 10 20 20 90 84 -6 Dinar VALEEV 11 11 10 12 15 16 19 20 16 18 71 77 6 Igor KONONOV 14 14 15 14 14 12 17 16 12 10 72 66 -6 Dmitry KOLTAKOV 12 11 16 16 13 11 11 12 16 16 68 66 -2 Harald SIMON 11 16 9 11 6 7 8 9 8 9 42 52 10 Johan WEBER 8 9 2 1 6 9 10 14 11 14 37 47 10 Martin HAARAHILTUNEN 13 12 6 7 7 10 11 11 5 5 42 45 3 STEFAN SVENSSON 5 7 9 9 5 5 6 6 6 7 31 34 3 Franz ZORN 5 6 5 6 6 8 7 8 2 3 25 31 6 Niclas SVENSSON 6 8 9 10 0 0 0 0 7 8 22 26 4 Ove LEDSTROM 4 5 3 4 5 4 3 5 5 6 20 24 4 Lukas HUTLA 3 4 6 8 3 3 2 3 0 0 14 18 4 Charly EBNER 1 2 2 3 5 6 1 2 3 4 12 17 5 Jasper IWEMA 3 3 3 5 1 2 1 0 1 2 9 12 3 Bart SCHAPP 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 2 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 67 Posted February 15, 2020 I think that the FIM wanted the best of both worlds. The heats all counted to get the best riders in a final, but then introduce a points system that the casual observer could understand, and not one where 1st Place scored less points that 2nd place but won because he won a race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schwantz34 17 Posted February 15, 2020 7 hours ago, steve69 said: Apologises to keep banging on about the new FIM Scoring System. If the scoring system was actual pts then Khomitsevich would have a 1 point lead in the World |Championship yet Ivanov has a 6 pts `Injustice Lead` And Kononov would be 3rd instead of Valeev. How can that be fair!!!! the latest INJUSTICE TABLE is ..............& I worry for the SGP season. Could go the same way as the 1st SoN Final where GB were robbed by Russia!!!! GP1 GP2 GP3 GP4 GP5 GP6 GP7 GP8 GP9 GP10 Total Pts No Rider Act. Pts FIM Act.Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act Pts FIMx Diff Danil IVANOV 21 20 20 20 17 20 17 18 14 12 89 90 1 Dmitry KHOMITSEVICH 19 18 19 18 19 18 13 10 20 20 90 84 -6 Dinar VALEEV 11 11 10 12 15 16 19 20 16 18 71 77 6 Igor KONONOV 14 14 15 14 14 12 17 16 12 10 72 66 -6 Dmitry KOLTAKOV 12 11 16 16 13 11 11 12 16 16 68 66 -2 Harald SIMON 11 16 9 11 6 7 8 9 8 9 42 52 10 Johan WEBER 8 9 2 1 6 9 10 14 11 14 37 47 10 Martin HAARAHILTUNEN 13 12 6 7 7 10 11 11 5 5 42 45 3 STEFAN SVENSSON 5 7 9 9 5 5 6 6 6 7 31 34 3 Franz ZORN 5 6 5 6 6 8 7 8 2 3 25 31 6 Niclas SVENSSON 6 8 9 10 0 0 0 0 7 8 22 26 4 Ove LEDSTROM 4 5 3 4 5 4 3 5 5 6 20 24 4 Lukas HUTLA 3 4 6 8 3 3 2 3 0 0 14 18 4 Charly EBNER 1 2 2 3 5 6 1 2 3 4 12 17 5 Jasper IWEMA 3 3 3 5 1 2 1 0 1 2 9 12 3 Bart SCHAPP 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 2 3 1 Steve, I know what you're saying but it's totally hypothetical. Ivanov might have tried harder in some of the heats etc if it was the old scoring system. Don't know if you follow British Superbikes but they introduced a " showdown" about 10 years ago, without going in to the detail basically it's a manipulation of the points to ensure the championship goes down to the final round. On at least one occasion thereafter the champion would not have been champion if the traditional scoring system had been used. Although others say they didn't deserve their championship I say you can't use ifs buts and maybes to insinuate they were less deserving. All of course IMHO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
