DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted February 22, 2020 Dutch riders would love to race but the federation does not allow it. Might change next year when we probably see the teams in Heerenveen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 22, 2020 59 minutes ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Dutch riders would love to race but the federation does not allow it. Might change next year when we probably see the teams in Heerenveen. Fed dont want to pay travel or what? Federations world wide are full of d1kkheads but denying entry when there is no cost is stupid. But naturally not unheard of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted February 22, 2020 No, the KNMV has motorsport-wide goals for their national teams. The ice guys cannot reach this goal. Think it has something to do that the team has to be able to get a medal or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 23, 2020 10 hours ago, DutchGrasstrack said: No, the KNMV has motorsport-wide goals for their national teams. The ice guys cannot reach this goal. Think it has something to do that the team has to be able to get a medal or something. We have that as well. Or at least had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conkers 66 Posted February 23, 2020 RUSSIAN SUPER LEAGUE ROUND 6, TOGLIATTI, SUNDAY FEBRUARY 23 TOGLIATTI 39 Daniil Ivanov 12 Igor Kononov 11 Evgeni Saydullin 8 Nikita Toloknov 7 Saveli Vedyanov 1 KAMENSK URAL 36 Dmitri Khomitsevich 11 Vasilli Nesytyh 10 Nikita Tarasov 9 Igor Saydullin 5 Ivan Khuzhin 1 UFA 23 Dinar Valeev 12 Nikita Bogdanov 8 Dmitri Solyannikov 3 Nikita Panov 0 Elisha Vydrin 0 SHADRINSK 22 Dmitri Koltakov 9 Konstantin Kolenkin 7 Dmitri Borodin 4 Yuri Olejnik 2 FINAL TABLE UFA 25 TOGLIATTI 21 KAMENSK URAL 12 SHADRINSK 8 UFA took their foot off the gas today, as they were champions, but some interesting racing in todays meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 25, 2020 After 6 GPs...Injustice Table: 2020 FIM ICE Gladiators Pts Scored v FIM Scoring System GP1 GP2 GP3 GP4 GP5 GP6 GP7 GP8 GP9 GP10 Total Pts No Rider Act. Pts FIM Act.Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act. Pts FIM Act Pts FIMx Diff Danil IVANOV 21 20 20 20 17 20 17 18 14 12 14 14 103 104 1 Dmitry KHOMITSEVICH 19 18 19 18 19 18 13 10 20 20 16 16 106 100 -6 Dinar VALEEV 11 11 10 12 15 16 19 20 16 18 18 18 89 95 6 Igor KONONOV 14 14 15 14 14 12 17 16 12 10 17 20 89 86 -3 Dmitry KOLTAKOV 12 11 16 16 13 11 11 12 16 16 11 12 79 78 -1 Harald SIMON 11 16 9 11 6 7 8 9 8 9 5 6 47 58 11 Johan WEBER 8 9 2 1 6 9 10 14 11 14 13 9 50 56 6 Martin HAARAHILTUNEN 13 12 6 7 7 10 11 11 5 5 10 10 52 55 3 STEFAN SVENSSON 5 7 9 9 5 5 6 6 6 7 2 2 33 36 3 Franz ZORN 5 6 5 6 6 8 7 8 2 3 4 5 29 36 7 Niclas SVENSSON 6 8 9 10 0 0 0 0 7 8 8 8 30 34 4 Ove LEDSTROM 4 5 3 4 5 4 3 5 5 6 5 7 25 31 6 Lukas HUTLA 3 4 6 8 3 3 2 3 0 0 0 0 14 18 4 Charly EBNER 1 2 2 3 5 6 1 2 3 4 1 1 13 18 5 Jasper IWEMA 3 3 3 5 1 2 1 0 1 2 2 4 11 16 5 Bart SCHAPP 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 2 3 4 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 25, 2020 The actual pts would give Dmitry Khomitsevich 106 pts with Danil Ivanov back on 103. (yet the FIM System gives Ivanov a 4 pts lead). 3rd would be a tie with Dinar Valeev & Igor Kononov on 89 pts. But FIM system has Valeev with a 9 pts cushion. How can that be better? Harald Simon has 11 more pts than he has scored. Franz Zorn 7 more pts. Biggest loser Khomitsevich minus 6 pts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted February 25, 2020 I’ve been frequently debating this new scoring system with some friends and collegues, and just fail miserably time after time to see how they think the new system is better just because it’s now more important to win meetings. In ice racing for example its now and more important to win 10 heats a season than the 70 heats last year. And this change is for the better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,849 Posted February 25, 2020 German Championship line-up https://www.eisspeedwayberlin.de/de/ergebnisse/47.-eisspeedway-berlin-2020/27.02.2020-deutschemeisterschaft.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schwantz34 15 Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, steve69 said: The actual pts would give Dmitry Khomitsevich 106 pts with Danil Ivanov back on 103. (yet the FIM System gives Ivanov a 4 pts lead). 3rd would be a tie with Dinar Valeev & Igor Kononov on 89 pts. But FIM system has Valeev with a 9 pts cushion. How can that be better? Harald Simon has 11 more pts than he has scored. Franz Zorn 7 more pts. Biggest loser Khomitsevich minus 6 pts. Does the new system not make it easier for 3rd and 4th to catch up with the top two, technically making it a more open title race? Not saying I agree with it but seeing as I'm going to Heerenveen, the more riders with a shot at the title the better Edited February 25, 2020 by Schwantz34 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 26, 2020 Hi Schwartz34, I will be in Inzell & Heerenveen - look out for the Union Jack flag at start-line!!! My concern is that at present the rider scoring the most actual race points is trailing in second. Yes, i agree that the system is trying to keep the riders bunched together but in reality I feel that the racing in the heats does not mean as much & hence the racing suffers where as the semi-finals plus Final maybe too competitive causing accidents & injuries. Which is why I believe the FIM changed it before. But hey-ho let`s see what the outcome is at the end of the SGP season in October. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve69 49 Posted February 26, 2020 Would be excellent if someone is covering the German Championship live on Thursday. Any ideas Dutch Grasstrack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted February 26, 2020 I will do the live scores not sure about a stream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schwantz34 15 Posted February 26, 2020 12 hours ago, steve69 said: Hi Schwartz34, I will be in Inzell & Heerenveen - look out for the Union Jack flag at start-line!!! My concern is that at present the rider scoring the most actual race points is trailing in second. Yes, i agree that the system is trying to keep the riders bunched together but in reality I feel that the racing in the heats does not mean as much & hence the racing suffers where as the semi-finals plus Final maybe too competitive causing accidents & injuries. Which is why I believe the FIM changed it before. But hey-ho let`s see what the outcome is at the end of the SGP season in October. Hi Steve I'll keep my eyes peeled for the union jack, standing at the first corner on Saturday and sitting somewhere on the start/ finish on Sunday. Went to Heerenveen in 2017 for my first meeting and really enjoyed it although I felt the Herris fencing round the side spoils the view a bit ( for some reason they don't have it in Inzell). Can't come soon enough and although I probably preferred the last 2 years at Inzell, Amsterdam is easier to do in a weekend from Glasgow than Munich or Salzburg. I hear what you're saying about the rider in second potentially having more points with the old scoring system. But, like my British Superbike analogy I feel the champion at the end of the year will be a deserving champion whether or not they would have been should the scoring be as per last year. Enjoy Inzell and if I get a chance I'll say hi at Thialf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted February 27, 2020 Tim Dixon will ride in Berlin tonight, despite having stitches in his thigh after a training crash in Sweden. Good luck Tim 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites