ABS 231 Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said: There are loads stating they are not going. Will be the smallest ever final crowd. Not sure why. As you say. It's a final. And a chance to win a trophy. I'll be at both legs. Come on aces I will be there - I expect a full house in our little section!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auntie doris 2,333 Posted September 12, 2019 A lot of them will be wearing orange and white scarves..with chants of "Lee and Aluns Tangerine Army"!. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted September 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Jonny the spud said: So you’re a Belle Vue fan, living in Manchester and your team have made a cup final. Their opponents tonight feature a recent world champion and are considered to be amongst one of the top teams in the country. Two top teams racing on what’s said to be the top track in the country and you can’t be bothered. Are you sure youre you’re a speedway fan ? This board really is full of stay on do gooders. We live in a world where custom essentially has to be purchased. Many people have lost there love with this sport, its proved by the huge decline of it. A sports team needs to show ambition and be competitive. BV have not done that this season so they haven't met my expectations. Why should I part with my cash when that is the case? The sport is competing for the general pound and there are better offerings available. You really have to work hard for your customers today and many speedway clubs simply dont do it. If you are willing to just carry on regardless then that is your prerogative, but it's not mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted September 12, 2019 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Wow - I'm gobsmacked There is no need to be gobsmacked. It's a pretty simple situation as I have explained above. Many many speedway fans, thousands upon thousands, share my thought process. I will be as committed and as ambitious as the promotion. When they dont meet my expectations then I will not meet theirs. Why should I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodenspoon 157 Posted September 12, 2019 I like acef cannot drum up any enthusiasm for this meeting, it will be touch & go whether I go tonight. Nothing to do with it being the KO Cup. Perhaps it is because the management made poor team building decisions at the beginning and during the season and did not make changes when it became obvious they were needed. If miracles do happen then Belle Vue are going to need one to win this trophy over two legs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
colin wood 249 Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said: There are loads stating they are not going. Will be the smallest ever final crowd. Not sure why. As you say. It's a final. And a chance to win a trophy. I'll be at both legs. Come on aces Who are the loads stating they are not going?There is only one on here.Why would anyone go to previous rounds and then not bother with the final? If it's because we might lose them it's a lame excuse. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,245 Posted September 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, acef said: This board really is full of stay on do gooders. We live in a world where custom essentially has to be purchased. Many people have lost there love with this sport, its proved by the huge decline of it. A sports team needs to show ambition and be competitive. BV have not done that this season so they haven't met my expectations. Why should I part with my cash when that is the case? The sport is competing for the general pound and there are better offerings available. You really have to work hard for your customers today and many speedway clubs simply dont do it. If you are willing to just carry on regardless then that is your prerogative, but it's not mine. Although I kind of see your point about management decisions and a come down after missing playoffs, this is still a cup final, it’s not a meaningless challenge meeting at end of season. It’s the last senior meeting of the season and with the current owners 3 year deal coming to an end it could be a winter or uncertainty again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob B 1,245 Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) Regards tonight meeting, the different race format going make things different. With the normal race race format I would have been confident of around a 12 point win, both previous meetings Doyle has had a tactical ride that he won’t have tonight. But with reserves only having 3 rides and top 4 having 5 rides this should be in Swindon’s favour. Ellis and Musielak can’t be as bad as last time but Bewley is riding better. Swindon have changed round riding order moving Batchelor to 3 which is correct thing to do with this race format, disappointed Belle Vue have left theirs. Bjerre had 2 crashes to finish off in Denmark last night so think he will be feeling sore. Edited September 12, 2019 by Rob B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted September 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rob B said: Although I kind of see your point about management decisions and a come down after missing playoffs, this is still a cup final, it’s not a meaningless challenge meeting at end of season. It’s the last senior meeting of the season and with the current owners 3 year deal coming to an end it could be a winter or uncertainty again. I cant see any viable way that they could stay in the present climate unless they continue to put there own money into it. I agree it's a big meeting, what has gone before has made it difficult for people to reason coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted September 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rob B said: Swindon have changed round riding order moving Batchelor to 3 which is correct thing to do with this race format, disappointed Belle Vue have left theirs. Its little things like this that are SO frustrating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,847 Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, colin wood said: Who are the loads stating they are not going?There is only one on here.Why would anyone go to previous rounds and then not bother with the final? If it's because we might lose them it's a lame excuse. I know a handful and all you got to do is look on the various social media sites like facebook and twitter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bellevueace 912 Posted September 12, 2019 2 hours ago, acef said: This board really is full of stay on do gooders. We live in a world where custom essentially has to be purchased. Many people have lost there love with this sport, its proved by the huge decline of it. A sports team needs to show ambition and be competitive. BV have not done that this season so they haven't met my expectations. Why should I part with my cash when that is the case? The sport is competing for the general pound and there are better offerings available. You really have to work hard for your customers today and many speedway clubs simply dont do it. If you are willing to just carry on regardless then that is your prerogative, but it's not mine. I understand your view and that's fair enough but if you apply that logic to say for example the Premier League where only two or three teams have any hope of winning silverware clubs like Palace or Southampton for example who are always in the lower reaches season after season would be playing to empty terraces. Fans obviously want to see their teams win but fans of clubs like the two examples attend because of a love of the sport and a lifetime commitment to the particular club. Maybe you've just fallen out of love with the sport in general. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kryten 17 Posted September 12, 2019 Just finishing work so I'll be there. Might give the south stand a try for a change.................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted September 12, 2019 I'm going and taking my Granddaughter with me, it's our last chance to see the Aces this season, before a long uncertain winter. PS Rob I thought it was a 5 year game plan they had. ?????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,847 Posted September 12, 2019 It looks like kenneth will miss the meeting as his flight doesnt land till half 7. (If that's the flight hes on) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites