Noodles 1,337 Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: you would if you can guarantee their machinery is on point I presume their machinery is already on point, it's barely been used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAH 409 Posted December 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, Noodles said: You say you can confirm 5 are correct - then only include 2 of them in your team. You've also forgotten MPT has been confirmed. forget bjerre unless it's lasse !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,658 Posted December 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Noodles said: You say you can confirm 5 are correct - then only include 2 of them in your team. You've also forgotten MPT has been confirmed. Nice work Mr Holmes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,820 Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Rockstar99 said: You say Masters has kicked on. 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017 he rode for the Edinburgh Monarchs in the second tier of British Speedway. In 2018 Sam Masters quit the second tier of British Speedway to try his luck abroad. In late 2019 and now signed up for 2020 Sam Masters is back at square one. Tried his luck abroad like Craig Cook. Realised he wasn't good enough so has to settle for the easy money in the Championship. Yet again, quoting irrelevant points. The facts are in the PL he improved every season on the trot until this season. Whether he is a better rider overall is a very different argument. The fact you mentioned he hasn’t improved for WOLVES is completely wrong. Backed up by averages. Masters seems to have plateaued in his career and wether he can kick on again is a very different debate too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carpman 15 Posted December 16, 2019 Problem is that one of them couldn't be arsed to get in his van and drive to meetings last year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMessiahOfTheBSF 84 Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Yet again, quoting irrelevant points. The facts are in the PL he improved every season on the trot until this season. Whether he is a better rider overall is a very different argument. The fact you mentioned he hasn’t improved for WOLVES is completely wrong. Backed up by averages. Masters seems to have plateaued in his career and wether he can kick on again is a very different debate too. Forget about one good season let's look at the final GSA's over a 4 year period. Masters increased from 7.18 to 7.35 = Virtually no improvement. Thorssell increased from 7.06 to 7.33 = Virtually no improvement. The two Wolves boys over a four year period have seen a combined + 0.44 not even half a point. They were on low 7 point averages four years ago and they are still on low 7 point averages four years later so where is the legit improvement because +0.44 combined is nothing. Masters 2019 - 7.35 2018 - 8.11 2017 - 7.92 2016 - 7.18 Thorssell 2019 - 7.33 2018 - 7.25 2017 - 8.64 2016 - 7.06 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon1983 557 Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Noodles said: You say you can confirm 5 are correct - then only include 2 of them in your team. You've also forgotten MPT has been confirmed. It clearly says if I was part of the promotion that is the type of side I'd build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 2,983 Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Seeing Barker & Bjerre mentioned as possibles, there's no point in signing them on their current Prem aves (Lasse Bjerre 5.92) & (Ben Barker 5.28) if they are wanted wait till they get a new ave in the Champ in April or May as their converted ave would be much lower (Barker 7.24 / 1.6 = 4.53) & (Bjerre 5.87 / 1.6 = minimum 4.00)! Edited December 16, 2019 by szkocjasid 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,820 Posted December 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said: Forget about one good season let's look at the final GSA's over a 4 year period. Masters increased from 7.18 to 7.35 = Virtually no improvement. Thorssell increased from 7.06 to 7.33 = Virtually no improvement. The two Wolves boys over a four year period have seen a combined + 0.44 not even half a point. They were on low 7 point averages four years ago and they are still on low 7 point averages four years later so where is the legit improvement because +0.44 combined is nothing. Masters 2019 - 7.35 2018 - 8.11 2017 - 7.92 2016 - 7.18 Thorssell 2019 - 7.33 2018 - 7.25 2017 - 8.64 2016 - 7.06 Clearly the average over 4 years has increased for both so this no improvement statement is still false. Dress it up all you want, Masters improved year on year for 3 straight seasons, but not this. It’s hard for anyone to argue different. Jacob as previously pointed out hasn’t improved in 2 seasons (from his average of 2017). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,164 Posted December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: you would if you can guarantee their machinery is on point Garrity struggles to even get to matches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Clearly the average over 4 years has increased for both so this no improvement statement is still false. Dress it up all you want, Masters improved year on year for 3 straight seasons, but not this. It’s hard for anyone to argue different. Jacob as previously pointed out hasn’t improved in 2 seasons (from his average of 2017). Neither has improved at all over four years , the very slight average increase is cancelled out by the league being weaker now than 4 years ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acef 795 Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Pinny said: Neither has improved at all over four years , the very slight average increase is cancelled out by the league being weaker now than 4 years ago. Says who? You? I'm pretty sure that's just a matter of opinion. You can't argue with statistics like Steve has posted. They are not subjective. Whatever the circumstances, however small the margin, they have increased there averages. That is simple mathematics and not something one could argue against. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted December 17, 2019 Yeah. Says me. masters average according to Brum has gone up 0.17 since four years ago. Thorsell 0.27 in four years. tell me, in a league getting weaker by the year, how the hell have either of them improved???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,620 Posted December 17, 2019 11 hours ago, stevebrum said: Clearly the average over 4 years has increased for both so this no improvement statement is still false. Dress it up all you want, Masters improved year on year for 3 straight seasons, but not this. It’s hard for anyone to argue different. Jacob as previously pointed out hasn’t improved in 2 seasons (from his average of 2017). Thorssell has not improved over the last four seasons if you look at his Swedish average in the Elitserien: 2016: 1.611 ( per ride = 6.44 CMA) 2017: 1.438 2018: 1.270 2019: 1.396 Taken together the two sets of figures strongly suggest a rider who has plateaued 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, acef said: Says who? You? I'm pretty sure that's just a matter of opinion. You can't argue with statistics like Steve has posted. They are not subjective. Whatever the circumstances, however small the margin, they have increased there averages. That is simple mathematics and not something one could argue against. To be fair, he’s right. You can’t look at averages in isolation. You do have to take into account the strength of the league and even riding order in the team. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
