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I'm no defender of Chapman but all I'd say is, there's nothing to say that's already been said, which is;

"All clubs want some kind of racing if possible in 2020." 

Until there is word from the Government & the BSPA I'm afraid there's nothing to tell season ticket holders. 

It's also been suggested that season tickets may or may not roll into 2021 etc but no club can answer that for definite. 

The threat of small claims court doesn't stand when businesses have been trying to work or not work in an unprecedented pandemic environment. Plus the fact that no claim could possibly be made until the season completion at the end of October anyway. 

All I'd recommend is just a bit of patience rather than trying to bash & threaten Buster when he doesn't know WTF is going on himself. That goes on behalf of every other promotion in the UK. 

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6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

I'm no defender of Chapman but all I'd say is, there's nothing to say that's already been said, which is;

"All clubs want some kind of racing if possible in 2020." 

Until there is word from the Government & the BSPA I'm afraid there's nothing to tell season ticket holders. 

It's also been suggested that season tickets may or may not roll into 2021 etc but no club can answer that for definite. 

The threat of small claims court doesn't stand when businesses have been trying to work or not work in an unprecedented pandemic environment. Plus the fact that no claim could possibly be made until the season completion at the end of October anyway. 

All I'd recommend is just a bit of patience rather than trying to bash & threaten Buster when he doesn't know WTF is going on himself. That goes on behalf of every other promotion in the UK. 

Possibly I am being totally unreasonable  in thinking that when Mr Chapman has nearly £500 of my money  for something  he can no longer provide I would quite like it back.  Even more unreasonable  is to not realise it is quite proper to totally ignore me , because he himself does not know what is going on. It may be  of course that he knows a bit more than me.

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9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

I'm no defender of Chapman but all I'd say is, there's nothing to say that's already been said, which is;

"All clubs want some kind of racing if possible in 2020." 

Until there is word from the Government & the BSPA I'm afraid there's nothing to tell season ticket holders. 

It's also been suggested that season tickets may or may not roll into 2021 etc but no club can answer that for definite. 

The threat of small claims court doesn't stand when businesses have been trying to work or not work in an unprecedented pandemic environment. Plus the fact that no claim could possibly be made until the season completion at the end of October anyway. 

All I'd recommend is just a bit of patience rather than trying to bash & threaten Buster when he doesn't know WTF is going on himself. That goes on behalf of every other promotion in the UK. 

...I wonder if you’d be quite so understanding if you’d bought a new telly for £500 from Curry's and it hadn’t arrived after 4 months?

By now ALL clubs should have refunded  ALL the season ticket money or issued a full explanation as to what is going to happen with season tickets in the future.

The way this is being handled is disgraceful...they think because you are ‘fans’ they can get away with it so they ignore you!! They are cowboys! 

 

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13 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

...I wonder if you’d be quite so understanding if you’d bought a new telly for £500 from Curry's and it hadn’t arrived after 4 months?

By now ALL clubs should have refunded  ALL the season ticket money or issued a full explanation as to what is going to happen with season tickets in the future.

The way this is being handled is disgraceful...they think because you are ‘fans’ they can get away with it so they ignore you!! They are cowboys! 

 

Put it this way, I'm on holiday from the 17th July (which should have happened in May by the way) & I've sat & waited patiently for information from the holiday company. The holiday cost me £800 & I've not complained once because I fully understand the situation. 

It's an unprecedented time & if you don't have the patience to wait for an outcome during, what still is, an ongoing pandemic, then I think you need a long hard look at yourselves rather than blaming others.

Get a fooking grip FFS. 

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8 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Put it this way, I'm on holiday from the 17th July (which should have happened in May by the way) & I've sat & waited patiently for information from the holiday company. The holiday cost me £800 & I've not complained once because I fully understand the situation. 

It's an unprecedented time & if you don't have the patience to wait for an outcome during, what still is, an ongoing pandemic, then I think you need a long hard look at yourselves rather than blaming others.

Get a fooking grip FFS. 

Fair enough, well done, hope you enjoy your £800 camping holiday you’ve deserved it for being so super patient.

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10 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

I'm no defender of Chapman but all I'd say is, there's nothing to say that's already been said, which is;

"All clubs want some kind of racing if possible in 2020." 

Until there is word from the Government & the BSPA I'm afraid there's nothing to tell season ticket holders. 

It's also been suggested that season tickets may or may not roll into 2021 etc but no club can answer that for definite. 

The threat of small claims court doesn't stand when businesses have been trying to work or not work in an unprecedented pandemic environment. Plus the fact that no claim could possibly be made until the season completion at the end of October anyway. 

All I'd recommend is just a bit of patience rather than trying to bash & threaten Buster when he doesn't know WTF is going on himself. That goes on behalf of every other promotion in the UK. 

All very well to tell people to get a grip FFS and you make valid points but speedway's problem is that it doesn't communicate, or does it badly when it does. They could put out some sort of sterile message regarding season tickets instead of the endless guff of news items they put out. The last news item of note was nearly two months ago when they set out the position as it was then and finished with “In addition it’s important to appreciate our wonderful sponsors Crendon Timber, the team sponsor, and club sponsor City Auction Group, for sticking with the club.” , although why they support a club that makes life for it's disabled customers impossible or more difficult I don't know? Anyway, that's a different thread, how about an update on the current overall position, given that a hopeful Jul/Aug start was mentioned in that news item and we are now in July? That costs nothing and if they don't know WTF is going on now above that May message then we are in trouble. Chapman could even end it with a message of appreciation for supporters? Costs nothing, only a bit of time!

As an example, this is the sort of thing, from the POSH website (relating to matches not received in 2019/20):

It has been an unprecedented time, a hugely challenging time and a period that has been extremely frustrating for everyone connected with the football club. The backing of the fans during this period has been exceptional and if you feel that you are in a position to do so, we would appreciate any waiver or donation that can be opted for. In return, we will recognise that generosity in a unique way at the new stadium and as a further gesture, we will allow 2020/21 season ticket holders to bring a friend two times during next season free of charge (when safe to do so).

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21 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

All very well to tell people to get a grip FFS and you make valid points but speedway's problem is that it doesn't communicate, or does it badly when it does. They could put out some sort of sterile message regarding season tickets instead of the endless guff of news items they put out. The last news item of note was nearly two months ago when they set out the position as it was then and finished with “In addition it’s important to appreciate our wonderful sponsors Crendon Timber, the team sponsor, and club sponsor City Auction Group, for sticking with the club.” , although why they support a club that makes life for it's disabled customers impossible or more difficult I don't know? Anyway, that's a different thread, how about an update on the current overall position, given that a hopeful Jul/Aug start was mentioned in that news item and we are now in July? That costs nothing and if they don't know WTF is going on now above that May message then we are in trouble. Chapman could even end it with a message of appreciation for supporters? Costs nothing, only a bit of time!

As an example, this is the sort of thing, from the POSH website (relating to matches not received in 2019/20):

It has been an unprecedented time, a hugely challenging time and a period that has been extremely frustrating for everyone connected with the football club. The backing of the fans during this period has been exceptional and if you feel that you are in a position to do so, we would appreciate any waiver or donation that can be opted for. In return, we will recognise that generosity in a unique way at the new stadium and as a further gesture, we will allow 2020/21 season ticket holders to bring a friend two times during next season free of charge (when safe to do so).

Well said, exactly my point, it’s the arrogance of the promoters and Chapman in particular that really annoys me, they moan and complain about crowd levels and fans walking away from the sport...AND they wonder why!! They don’t give a toss about the fans! 

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1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Put it this way, I'm on holiday from the 17th July (which should have happened in May by the way) & I've sat & waited patiently for information from the holiday company. The holiday cost me £800 & I've not complained once because I fully understand the situation. 

It's an unprecedented time & if you don't have the patience to wait for an outcome during, what still is, an ongoing pandemic, then I think you need a long hard look at yourselves rather than blaming others.

Get a fooking grip FFS. 

If you have paid £800 and have not even  had an acknowledgement  and even polite request have been ignored you are a truly wonderful person. Possibly at some time you will get your holiday. In the case of Speedway what I paid for cannot be supplied.  As for holidays I too have paid for a holiday in my case nearly £4000 , in this case the holiday company have advised me they can't provide the holiday and have offered money back or to defer till next year. All instigated by them .

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19 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

Well said, exactly my point, it’s the arrogance of the promoters and Chapman in particular that really annoys me, they moan and complain about crowd levels and fans walking away from the sport...AND they wonder why!! They don’t give a toss about the fans! 

It's a bit unfair to say all. I'm sure some do give a toss but you don't take on the mafia. You go with the flow or they'll get you in the end as Frost/Mahoney and Sandhu found out to their cost, as did Rathbone.

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55 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

If you have paid £800 and have not even  had an acknowledgement  and even polite request have been ignored you are a truly wonderful person. Possibly at some time you will get your holiday. In the case of Speedway what I paid for cannot be supplied.  As for holidays I too have paid for a holiday in my case nearly £4000 , in this case the holiday company have advised me they can't provide the holiday and have offered money back or to defer till next year. All instigated by them .

Surely as with most clubs, much of the money taken for season tickets has probably been shelled out to riders, vehicle leasing companies etc as part of riders' signing on deals. Once any refunding starts then it will have to apply for all and maybe just maybe clubs and fans will have to wait until clubs can get some more income in.

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3 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Surely as with most clubs, much of the money taken for season tickets has probably been shelled out to riders, vehicle leasing companies etc as part of riders' signing on deals. Once any refunding starts then it will have to apply for all and maybe just maybe clubs and fans will have to wait until clubs can get some more income in.

If you are saying  the fans will  have to wait until the riders repay,  then the fans are in big trouble !!!!!

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20 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Surely as with most clubs, much of the money taken for season tickets has probably been shelled out to riders, vehicle leasing companies etc as part of riders' signing on deals. Once any refunding starts then it will have to apply for all and maybe just maybe clubs and fans will have to wait until clubs can get some more income in.

I appreciate all that , it's the fact that People like Chapman deal with the problem as though it did not exist

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14 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Surely as with most clubs, much of the money taken for season tickets has probably been shelled out to riders, vehicle leasing companies etc as part of riders' signing on deals. Once any refunding starts then it will have to apply for all and maybe just maybe clubs and fans will have to wait until clubs can get some more income in.

That is really beside the point. Clubs should clearly explain to fans, who have paid there money in good faith, how they are going to refund money or why they will have to wait. Ignoring fans and hiding away as they are doing, will only raise worry that there money has gone. Clubs are businesses and they have a responsibility to there customers.

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34 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Surely as with most clubs, much of the money taken for season tickets has probably been shelled out to riders, vehicle leasing companies etc as part of riders' signing on deals. Once any refunding starts then it will have to apply for all and maybe just maybe clubs and fans will have to wait until clubs can get some more income in.

Most of the more progressive Clubs seem to be offering option of full immediate refund or defer ticket to use in 2021. Not fair I think to assume all are as tardy as Peterborough seem to be.

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2 hours ago, Crump99 said:

All very well to tell people to get a grip FFS and you make valid points but speedway's problem is that it doesn't communicate, or does it badly when it does. They could put out some sort of sterile message regarding season tickets instead of the endless guff of news items they put out. The last news item of note was nearly two months ago when they set out the position as it was then and finished with “In addition it’s important to appreciate our wonderful sponsors Crendon Timber, the team sponsor, and club sponsor City Auction Group, for sticking with the club.” , although why they support a club that makes life for it's disabled customers impossible or more difficult I don't know? Anyway, that's a different thread, how about an update on the current overall position, given that a hopeful Jul/Aug start was mentioned in that news item and we are now in July? That costs nothing and if they don't know WTF is going on now above that May message then we are in trouble. Chapman could even end it with a message of appreciation for supporters? Costs nothing, only a bit of time!

As an example, this is the sort of thing, from the POSH website (relating to matches not received in 2019/20):

It has been an unprecedented time, a hugely challenging time and a period that has been extremely frustrating for everyone connected with the football club. The backing of the fans during this period has been exceptional and if you feel that you are in a position to do so, we would appreciate any waiver or donation that can be opted for. In return, we will recognise that generosity in a unique way at the new stadium and as a further gesture, we will allow 2020/21 season ticket holders to bring a friend two times during next season free of charge (when safe to do so).

The difference is, football knows where it stands. 

Speedway is between a rock & a hard place as it certainly couldn't afford behind closed doors at all. 

I fully understand that people's money is with individual clubs but the questions should be to the BSPA as a whole. 

The BSPA should be getting it's house in order, releasing statements etc on behalf of every club. Of course, no club is in the same position financially but for the fans, the plans for going forward has to be from the BSPA & not the individual club. 

That's where the questions need to go

 

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