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20 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Are you asking how 4th could possibly record a faster time than 1st?

Simply put, if you gate a second behind the others & finish half a second behind 1st but finish 4th your transponder will record a faster 4 laps than the rider who finishes 1st.

It also depends on where on the bike the responder is. 

Transponders activate buy passing a beam or cable that runs the width of the track so the start timing of the tapes going up is irrelevant. 

Hence, in speedway transponders can be more inaccurate than a guy with a stop watch. 

As another example, in formula one, they don't officially record the 1st lap time as it always records the guys at the back as being fastest as they get a better run up to the start finish line. 

I understand now thanks :t:

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On 8/4/2020 at 11:26 PM, Daniel Smith said:

Are you asking how 4th could possibly record a faster time than 1st?

Simply put, if you gate a second behind the others & finish half a second behind 1st but finish 4th your transponder will record a faster 4 laps than the rider who finishes 1st.

It also depends on where on the bike the responder is. 

Transponders activate buy passing a beam or cable that runs the width of the track so the start timing of the tapes going up is irrelevant. 

Hence, in speedway transponders can be more inaccurate than a guy with a stop watch. 

As another example, in formula one, they don't officially record the 1st lap time as it always records the guys at the back as being fastest as they get a better run up to the start finish line. 

Not sure if this example is correct, I have never seen a GP where the cars at the rear of the start,are closer to the cars at the front of the grid, surely if they are further apart at the end of the 1st lap, then their lap time must be slower than the car at the front of the start line.????????????

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1 hour ago, hyderd said:

Not sure if this example is correct, I have never seen a GP where the cars at the rear of the start,are closer to the cars at the front of the grid, surely if they are further apart at the end of the 1st lap, then their lap time must be slower than the car at the front of the start line.????????????

Only if they are further apart though, the last on the grid could have the fastest 1 st lap in theory.The example is correct IMO

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2 hours ago, hyderd said:

Not sure if this example is correct, I have never seen a GP where the cars at the rear of the start,are closer to the cars at the front of the grid, surely if they are further apart at the end of the 1st lap, then their lap time must be slower than the car at the front of the start line.????????????

 

59 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Only if they are further apart though, the last on the grid could have the fastest 1 st lap in theory.The example is correct IMO

Exactly right. It's theory hence why first lap times are not recorded in F1. The only times recorded in F1 on the first lap is the gap differences between cars. Even the sector times are not officially recorded on the first lap.

Anyway. The argument is the accurate recording of fastest in Speedway. With transponders, it's an inaccurate way to record track records. No more accurate than a guy with a stop watch. 

 

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