Guest Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) The irony of Wikipedia's action is that under Spanish law people who die are usually buried within 24 hours. The only exception would be if further investigation was needed in regard to death or if in Split's case the body was being returned to UK for burial. Edited October 11, 2019 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, gustix said: Wikipedia strikes again Robbie B. Your update appears to have been removed by them! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_Waterman Hi Gustrix I have found the reason why it keeps disappearing. Under Wikipedia policies edit relating to someone's passing must be supported with reference to their passing ie a website news story. As I cannot find a website reporting the sad news regarding Spilt Waterman yet Wikipedia will keep removing this oticfaction until it is supported with evidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,053 Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbie B said: Hi Gustrix I have found the reason why it keeps disappearing. Under Wikipedia policies edit relating to someone's passing must be supported with reference to their passing ie a website news story. As I cannot find a website reporting the sad news regarding Spilt Waterman yet Wikipedia will keep removing this oticfaction until it is supported with evidence. 1 hour ago, Robbie B said: Hi Gustrix I have found the reason why it keeps disappearing. Under Wikipedia policies edit relating to someone's passing must be supported with reference to their passing ie a website news story. As I cannot find a website reporting the sad news regarding Spilt Waterman yet Wikipedia will keep removing this oticfaction until it is supported with evidence. Yes, that's the reason they removed mine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Robbie B said: Hi Gustrix I have found the reason why it keeps disappearing. Under Wikipedia policies edit relating to someone's passing must be supported with reference to their passing ie a website news story. As I cannot find a website reporting the sad news regarding Spilt Waterman yet Wikipedia will keep removing this oticfaction until it is supported with evidence. The sad death of Split Waterman is widely activated on various Facebook forums. I am not sure FB links can be posted here - or recognised by Wikipedia. Thank you Robbie B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted October 10, 2019 I think that we will have to await an official and reliable source of information such as Speedway GB or the Seedway Star to publish something relating to this sad news on their website and I can referenced it from there directly to Wikipedia before they will accept the posting someone's passing. I can fully understand Wikipedia policy asit can be edited by anyone and they do know who we are, and whether the information we post is true. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,017 Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbie B said: I think that we will have to await an official and reliable source of information such as Speedway GB or the Seedway Star to publish something relating to this sad news on their website and I can referenced it from there directly to Wikipedia before they will accept the posting someone's passing. I can fully understand Wikipedia policy asit can be edited by anyone and they do know who we are, and whether the information we post is true. That's weird, though. I have updated a number of wikipedia pages over the years, and I have never had an issue. Unless they are really clamping down on things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,853 Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) Sure there have been many who have been announced dead, who were still alive. Maybe gustix can knock up an obituary on one of the sites he does articles for and then it can be used as proof ? Or surely a local paper in Spain has announced the death of a celebritiy like Split? Gustix knowledge of Spanish and the area can come in useful here Split in happier times https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/portrait-of-speedway-driver-split-waterman-and-his-bride-news-photo/537196177 Edited October 10, 2019 by iris123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted October 10, 2019 Gustix, any chance you could please arrange to add something to the Harringay page of the Defunct Speedway page (the track he was most synonymous with), which could then be used as a reference? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted October 10, 2019 As a youngster I never had the opportunity to go to speedway, but I can remember the name Split Waterman being probably the first I ever knew of a speedway rider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted October 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, chunky said: That's weird, though. I have updated a number of wikipedia pages over the years, and I have never had an issue. Unless they are really clamping down on things. I have keep the British pages updated on Wikipedia for about 3 years and that the message I received, so maybe there now clamping down on items relating to someone's passing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,053 Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Robbie B said: I have keep the British pages updated on Wikipedia for about 3 years and that the message I received, so maybe there now clamping down on items relating to someone's passing. Yes, I've updated many pages before as well. About a year ago I did have the same problem. It was on the page for Stanley Holloway. It was mentioned that he appeared in Concert Party in Clacton when he was first starting out. He actually appeared for three Summer seasons at the West Cliff Theatre, of which I am now Chairman. In our archives we have the old Accounts books for the period 1902-1914. In it, it gives details of how much he was paid each season, so I just thought it might be of some interest to mention how much he was paid on his Wiki Page. So I added it and it was deleted as I didn't source it. So I added the source was the original accounts book in the West Cliff archives. They said that wasn't good enough as it had to be a printed source. Which I thought was very curious as they were willing to accept a secondary source but not a primary soirce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Robbie B said: I think that we will have to await an official and reliable source of information such as Speedway GB or the Seedway Star to publish something relating to this sad news on their website and I can referenced it from there directly to Wikipedia before they will accept the posting someone's passing. I can fully understand Wikipedia policy asit can be edited by anyone and they do know who we are, and whether the information we post is true. That appears to be the best answer to updating the Split Waterman item on Wikipedia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted October 11, 2019 13 hours ago, norbold said: Yes, I've updated many pages before as well. About a year ago I did have the same problem. It was on the page for Stanley Holloway. It was mentioned that he appeared in Concert Party in Clacton when he was first starting out. He actually appeared for three Summer seasons at the West Cliff Theatre, of which I am now Chairman. In our archives we have the old Accounts books for the period 1902-1914. In it, it gives details of how much he was paid each season, so I just thought it might be of some interest to mention how much he was paid on his Wiki Page. So I added it and it was deleted as I didn't source it. So I added the source was the original accounts book in the West Cliff archives. They said that wasn't good enough as it had to be a printed source. Which I thought was very curious as they were willing to accept a secondary source but not a primary soirce. Personally norbold I think has to do with which moderator is dealing with an issue. As before this league season started my account was blocked by Wikipedia for updating speedway pages as the previous year I have put links on the British speedway pages directly to Speedway GB and they mistakenly thought that I was associated with them by providing these links to their websites. So for this season I have linked everything to club websites, although this is useful, but unlike the Speedway GB links these will disappear in time as clubs close, or when they change their website, but nowadays Speedway GB achieve their web pages along with the page names. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) On 10/10/2019 at 6:08 PM, lucifer sam said: Gustix, any chance you could please arrange to add something to the Harringay page of the Defunct Speedway page (the track he was most synonymous with), which could then be used as a reference? That is an idea lucifer sam. But I think an item on a forum would also be rejected by Wikipedia. The best idea as mentioned previously in this thread is to wait for the sad news to appear in 'Speedway Star' then pass the item on to Wikipedia for the update. Edited October 11, 2019 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spinkox 37 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) Fantastic video - at 22.15 he stops so suddenly - it seems as if he has used a brake. Edited October 12, 2019 by spinkox error Share this post Link to post Share on other sites