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7 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

I appear to have misunderstood you.

I am using the current proposed fixtures, and in that case one league table is better than two conference tables.

I assume you are saying that it would be better if there were two separate conferences with no meetings with a team in the other conference? Even that would be no better as the teams in one conference could all be better than those in the other.

The only fair way is for the teams to be in one league and ride against each other the same number of times.

Fairness has been sacrificed for less travelling/more “derbies”.

No please ignore the other comments.  I'm basing my opinion on the proposed fixtures (twice h & a against your own region and once h & a against the other region).  This is definitely a good idea and should have been done ages ago instead of the pointless Shield.

I agree with you that the only really fair approach is that every team faces the same opposition the same number of times but that's either only 11 home fixtures or too many at 22 home fixtures.  So 16 home fixtures is perfect.  However, as you've pointed out, in terms of fairness it does raise the issue of all the teams not facing the same opposition the same amount of times.

For that reason, as seems to have been confirmed at Redcar, there should be a Northern and Southern table (not a combined table) with the top three from each qualifying for the play offs.

I reiterate hopefully when it comes to the quarter finals the 2nd in the North will play 3rd in the South etc. This will mean that if one region is more dominant than the other then the top three teams can make the semi finals.

As I say not perfect but neither is the traditional league format when you consider teams can improve/strengthen over a season. Hope that clarifies for everyone.

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12 minutes ago, enotian said:

No please ignore the other comments. 

I'm basing my opinion on the proposed fixtures (twice h & a against your own region and once h & a against the other region). 

This is definitely a good idea and should have been done ages ago instead of the pointless Shield.

 

 

But it’s not a good idea to have a league table skewed by teams racing some opponents more than others.

That’s just daft.

Why not have a proper league with 22 fixtures, one home and one away against each of the other opponents, and a separate competition divided into north and south conferences?

Instead they’ve combined the two and made a pig’s ear.

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1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said:

That might be the only way it will work, if there isn't the same amount of teams per group.

If Newcasle fold whats the problem with moving Birminghan into the North group and promoting Plymouth into the South region...  back to the same amount...

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THJ

 

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51 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

If Newcasle fold whats the problem with moving Birminghan into the North group and promoting Plymouth into the South region...  back to the same amount...

Regards 

THJ

 

Yeah, I did comment on something along those lines earlier on,,, dunno about moving Birmingham north, or Leicester, depends on where they draw the line on the map. 

I was also bearing in mind some comments on the 'fours' thread, which I think Steve has just highlighted.

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1 hour ago, enotian said:

No please ignore the other comments.  I'm basing my opinion on the proposed fixtures (twice h & a against your own region and once h & a against the other region).  This is definitely a good idea and should have been done ages ago instead of the pointless Shield.

I agree with you that the only really fair approach is that every team faces the same opposition the same number of times but that's either only 11 home fixtures or too many at 22 home fixtures.  So 16 home fixtures is perfect.  However, as you've pointed out, in terms of fairness it does raise the issue of all the teams not facing the same opposition the same amount of times.

For that reason, as seems to have been confirmed at Redcar, there should be a Northern and Southern table (not a combined table) with the top three from each qualifying for the play offs.

I reiterate hopefully when it comes to the quarter finals the 2nd in the North will play 3rd in the South etc. This will mean that if one region is more dominant than the other then the top three teams can make the semi finals.

As I say not perfect but neither is the traditional league format when you consider teams can improve/strengthen over a season. Hope that clarifies for everyone.

Northern and Southern tables, but each containing all twelve Clubs?

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49 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

If Newcasle fold whats the problem with moving Birminghan into the North group and promoting Plymouth into the South region...  back to the same amount...

Regards 

THJ

 

Because Plymouth have said that the extra financial implications meant they couldn't move up, I don't think that will happen.

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2 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

I can’t see how that can be the case under the format as stated with each Club racing against both Groups during the season.

It works in American Football. Numerous conferences (leagues). They play everyone home and away in their own conference and a selection of teams from the others to make up the season. Top teams in each conference + a number of "best" runners up"  go into end of season play-offs. 

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6 minutes ago, leander said:

It works in American Football. Numerous conferences (leagues). They play everyone home and away in their own conference and a selection of teams from the others to make up the season. Top teams in each conference + a number of "best" runners up"  go into end of season play-offs. 

Do the results of the matches with ‘a selection of teams from the others’ appear in the league tables along with the matches within their own conference?

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Each team in Northern league will race the same opponents the same number of times eg twice against 5 teams and once against the other six,so it willbe a fair table.  Then likewise in Southern league - Seems quite simple and straightforward to me

 

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1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

If Newcasle fold whats the problem with moving Birminghan into the North group and promoting Plymouth into the South region...  back to the same amount...

Regards 

THJ

 

Or even Leicester

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20 minutes ago, StevePark said:

Because Plymouth have said that the extra financial implications meant they couldn't move up, I don't think that will happen.

So why did they apply in the first place Steve

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2 minutes ago, pienpeesman said:

So why did they apply in the first place Steve

When they got to the 'nitty gritty' extra financial implications were then put upon them, which they were not aware of when initially wanting to move up.

Their Website says: "HAVING BEEN GRANTED PERMISSION TO PUT ITS CREDENTIALS TO THE SPORTS GENERAL COUNCIL AT THE AGM HELD IN COVENTRY THIS WEEK, THE REQUIREMENT OF NEW AND PREVIOUSLY UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS OF ENTRY; WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT INCREASED FINANCIAL ASSURANCES AND BONDS HAVING TO BE PAID IMMEDIATELY, MEANT THAT THE PROMOTION HAD NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION ON THE GROUNDS OF THE MEDIUM AND LONG TERM FINANCIAL SECURITY OF THE CLUB."

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3 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

I can’t see how that can be the case under the format as stated with each Club racing against both Groups during the season.

The leagues are split for points purpose not who you race. Race your league twice home and away, race the other league once

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1 hour ago, NeilWatson said:

Northern and Southern tables, but each containing all twelve Clubs?

NBA is best example to look at but basically ours will be a north south split, face ur section twice h&a, other section once h&a, thats all. 

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2 hours ago, DC2 said:

That’s just daft.

Instead they’ve combined the two and made a pig’s ear.

Yeah, but it used to be a silk purse;)

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