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6 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

They not only have the backing of local councillors they have the support of the local MP but with what they are dealing with in lawless scum who opt out of society it will always be a difficult situation until possibly the whole site is developed and there is no land for them to park up on...

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THJ 

Then the problem moves somewhere else?

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4 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

It's a problem the locals have had to put up with for a long time now... unfortunately... 

Yeah, a get that mate,,, just saying that if there is no land to park up on, they'll just find some somewhere else.

You can't just make them disappear. 

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Unfortunately this issue the speedway track is in the middle of regarding the caravan people, is all down to the local council and politics, apparently all councils are supposed to provide a site for said people,( Don't ask why !! ) If the site is not provided the said people park anywhere and claim they are being victimised, this then adds to the time the eviction order comes through to move them on, they know all the Dodge's !!! In the summer said people have parked on school playing fields, children's playground,car parks, and even outside the local council office, each time eventually moved on via court order ,at a cost to local council tax payers, and leaving a massive mess of God knows what to be cleaned up, again at a cost to the local council tax payers. This has being going on for years but now getting a lot worse, Don't know if similar happens in other parts of the country.

Got to feel for Andrew and the band of helpers, but IMO some serious thinking to be done, does the project carry on and risk further damage etc or bail out !!!                                   I'm not being negative just saying as I see it as a local, but will be down to support the speedway when it opens (hopefully ) ,also may have a spare couple of quid to sponsor something.:)

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Should get a few of then to reconnect those power lines for the people still without power....

Would be able to get the water sorted too with just a simple diversion of a pipe....!!

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1 minute ago, mikebv said:

Should get a few of then to reconnect those power lines for the people still without power....

Would be able to get the water sorted too with just a simple diversion of a pipe....!!

Would be no cables/pipes left to reconnect as they will have taken them to the scrap yard for money :D

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18 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Should get a few of then to reconnect those power lines for the people still without power....

Would be able to get the water sorted too with just a simple diversion of a pipe....!!

Too much valuable copper for that idea to work I think !!! (Sorry Neila beat me to it) 

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1 hour ago, Neila said:

Unfortunately this issue the speedway track is in the middle of regarding the caravan people, is all down to the local council and politics, apparently all councils are supposed to provide a site for said people,( Don't ask why !! ) If the site is not provided the said people park anywhere and claim they are being victimised, this then adds to the time the eviction order comes through to move them on, they know all the Dodge's !!! In the summer said people have parked on school playing fields, children's playground,car parks, and even outside the local council office, each time eventually moved on via court order ,at a cost to local council tax payers, and leaving a massive mess of God knows what to be cleaned up, again at a cost to the local council tax payers. This has being going on for years but now getting a lot worse, Don't know if similar happens in other parts of the country.

Got to feel for Andrew and the band of helpers, but IMO some serious thinking to be done, does the project carry on and risk further damage etc or bail out !!!                                   I'm not being negative just saying as I see it as a local, but will be down to support the speedway when it opens (hopefully ) ,also may have a spare couple of quid to sponsor something.:)

Farmers use muck spreaders or use heavy equipment to dig deep trenches around their caravans by us, they move on in less than 24 hours. There's no messing around. 

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1 hour ago, Neila said:

Don't know if similar happens in other parts of the country.

It happens in other parts of the County let alone the Country

Home Group had an issue with them in Maryport with an Unauthorised Encampment? as they are affectionately known as when they undertake a land grab and it took months to get rid of them and Home Group had all the legal support of there own inhouse legal team. They got them off the site and then they accessed trough a different point 24 hours later and all the legal work they had done was in vain and they had to start the process all over again... when they finally got them off for the second time they then had to put security on the site for a couple of month and remedial works in place to make the site inaccessible with barriers; gates; fencing and mounds of earth and rubble... the whole thing is a joke... These Unauthorised encampments (UEs) are defined by the Government as "encampments of caravans and/or other vehicles on land without the landowner or occupier's consent and constituting trespass" what I don't get is... if it was a normal person trespassing their feet would not touch the ground and they would be prosecuted to the nth degree the Law would allow but these Bar-Stewards get away with it... The governments recommended way to keep travellers off your land is by using Security Cameras and Guards which they say are some of the most effective ways to protecting your land against Gypsies and Travellers but can prove costly (No Poop Sherlock). Bollards or other natural obstacles can be used as a substitute. Natural Obstacles such as trees or water make unauthorised entrance to the land harder... However what the government don't say is that all this costs money and once they are in; they are pretty difficult to extract and to steal a line from an old Arnie movie they dig in "like an Alabama tick"

13 minutes ago, Deano said:

Farmers use muck spreaders or use heavy equipment to dig deep trenches around their caravans by us, they move on in less than 24 hours.

Problem is this lot are tooled up and if someone tried that they would probably get their legs blown off... but I fully agree with your sentiment

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THJ

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1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

It happens in other parts of the County let alone the Country

Home Group had an issue with them in Maryport with an Unauthorised Encampment? as they are affectionately known as when they undertake a land grab and it took months to get rid of them and Home Group had all the legal support of there own inhouse legal team. They got them off the site and then they accessed trough a different point 24 hours later and all the legal work they had done was in vain and they had to start the process all over again... when they finally got them off for the second time they then had to put security on the site for a couple of month and remedial works in place to make the site inaccessible with barriers; gates; fencing and mounds of earth and rubble... the whole thing is a joke... These Unauthorised encampments (UEs) are defined by the Government as "encampments of caravans and/or other vehicles on land without the landowner or occupier's consent and constituting trespass" what I don't get is... if it was a normal person trespassing their feet would not touch the ground and they would be prosecuted to the nth degree the Law would allow but these Bar-Stewards get away with it... The governments recommended way to keep travellers off your land is by using Security Cameras and Guards which they say are some of the most effective ways to protecting your land against Gypsies and Travellers but can prove costly (No Poop Sherlock). Bollards or other natural obstacles can be used as a substitute. Natural Obstacles such as trees or water make unauthorised entrance to the land harder... However what the government don't say is that all this costs money and once they are in; they are pretty difficult to extract and to steal a line from an old Arnie movie they dig in "like an Alabama tick"

Problem is this lot are tooled up and if someone tried that they would probably get their legs blown off... but I fully agree with your sentiment

Regards
THJ

Still look on the bright side, at least they contribute to society and pay their taxes!!

Think the problem is country wide, down south there's earth banks and telephone pole thickness reinforced steel gates/barriers around local recreation fields and parks etc. There are a couple of purpose built sites I can think of, but it does seem they prefer the sites like parks and the Worky site, so when they do get moved on they can leave all their s**t.

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Well here is the latest

Read this...

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/19732908.cash-machine-stolen-dunmail-park-workington/

Now this was just before they got onto the Northside site however where was the cash machine container found yep you guessed it... Northside... 2 and 2 adding up to anyone

Break in at Northside Friday; steal spare batteries and set fire to the pole holding the 11KVA transformers that to be fair was causing a bit of a problem  in the centre green of the track and was going to cost 45k plus VAT to move... However fire brigade come and put the fire out and save the day.

Sunday and another break in at Northside with every portacabin and every container accessed (even the big steel container with the knackered hinges that three big fat blokes; or 60 stone of muscle as I prefer to call it could not access) and they get in and steal a container full of diesel put it under the 11KVA transformers and set fire to it again; this time the fire brigade come out and cant do anything with it because it is live and 11KVA and the pole goes over North West Electricity come and make the thing safe and isolate it. However in the mean time all of Dunmail Park went off including a large ASDA store. The police actually thought it might have been to cause another power outage to have a second go at the new cash machine but no just the copper.

As low and behold they were back Monday (Yesterday) and stripped the transformers and went through all the site cabins again to sweep up anything metallic. The police were called and it took them 3 and a half hours to arrive and when they were asked what they were going to do they said "we will get a court injunction but it will take months" and when asked if nothing could be done quicker they said well we could do something on a Section 61 which can be used in certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. These powers will only be used in situations of serious criminality or public disorder not capable of being addressed by normal criminal legislation and in which the trespassory occupation of the land is a relevant factor but the cop said we wont usually do that as the police are bound by the Human Rights Act and can be constrained to avoid using Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being applied by the civil courts.

Honestly these people know how to work the system to their benefit... but the one question I would as is stealing a Cash Machine and destroying an 11KVA pole and stripping the Transformers not serious criminality? How much can they get away with?

So that's it anything of any value has been removed off site; all the plant ground moving equipment and tractors have been moved back to their respective depots and all works has stopped until this problem has been sorted. Which could be months off yet... Could there be more trouble ahead? Probably...

Regards
THJ

 

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I really feel for you guys. Keep the faith.

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49 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

Well here is the latest

Read this...

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/19732908.cash-machine-stolen-dunmail-park-workington/

Now this was just before they got onto the Northside site however where was the cash machine container found yep you guessed it... Northside... 2 and 2 adding up to anyone

Break in at Northside Friday; steal spare batteries and set fire to the pole holding the 11KVA transformers that to be fair was causing a bit of a problem  in the centre green of the track and was going to cost 45k plus VAT to move... However fire brigade come and put the fire out and save the day.

Sunday and another break in at Northside with every portacabin and every container accessed (even the big steel container with the knackered hinges that three big fat blokes; or 60 stone of muscle as I prefer to call it could not access) and they get in and steal a container full of diesel put it under the 11KVA transformers and set fire to it again; this time the fire brigade come out and cant do anything with it because it is live and 11KVA and the pole goes over North West Electricity come and make the thing safe and isolate it. However in the mean time all of Dunmail Park went off including a large ASDA store. The police actually thought it might have been to cause another power outage to have a second go at the new cash machine but no just the copper.

As low and behold they were back Monday (Yesterday) and stripped the transformers and went through all the site cabins again to sweep up anything metallic. The police were called and it took them 3 and a half hours to arrive and when they were asked what they were going to do they said "we will get a court injunction but it will take months" and when asked if nothing could be done quicker they said well we could do something on a Section 61 which can be used in certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. These powers will only be used in situations of serious criminality or public disorder not capable of being addressed by normal criminal legislation and in which the trespassory occupation of the land is a relevant factor but the cop said we wont usually do that as the police are bound by the Human Rights Act and can be constrained to avoid using Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being applied by the civil courts.

Honestly these people know how to work the system to their benefit... but the one question I would as is stealing a Cash Machine and destroying an 11KVA pole and stripping the Transformers not serious criminality? How much can they get away with?

So that's it anything of any value has been removed off site; all the plant ground moving equipment and tractors have been moved back to their respective depots and all works has stopped until this problem has been sorted. Which could be months off yet... Could there be more trouble ahead? Probably...

Regards
THJ

 

Surely it should be treated as organised crime and treated accordingly. The problem we have in this country is if anything in any situation ( and there are a lot )is deemed to be from a minority group no one wants to deal it because of the fear of the comeback , especially on social media,  sad times.

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Really sorry to read about the goings on up at Northside this type of travelling commnity really are the scum of the earth,  its exactly the same around here in the Midlands from time to time they turn up at various sites, Car Parks, Waste Ground, Sports Pitches and Parks, they cause no end of grief whilst they are there, then when they leave the rubbish they leave behind is horrendous, usually they leave a calling card whenever they visit premises in the form of human excretia. All the local councils have fixed sites for these so called travellers to go to but it has made little if any difference, until the big knobs down in London pass a stronger law this will continue throughout the country. A few years ago they had set up on the car park of a local playing field I wanted to go onto this playing field so walked across the Car Park, next thing a big 4x4 was heading for me I had to rapidly jump out of the way before I got hit, the driver was just laughing as he went past Barstewards the lot of them..

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