cheekycobra 159 Posted November 17, 2019 12 teams. would have been perfect to re-introduce the fours qualifiers. three groups of 4 with each winner to the final plus the best runner up. Missed a trick I think. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, cheekycobra said: 12 teams. would have been perfect to re-introduce the fours qualifiers. three groups of 4 with each winner to the final plus the best runner up. Missed a trick I think. Nothing announced yet as they await Newcastle's decision!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheekycobra 159 Posted November 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Nothing announced yet as they await Newcastle's decision!!! If Newcastle are out then Plymouth will move up otherwise the North/South devide wont work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, cheekycobra said: If Newcastle are out then Plymouth will move up otherwise the North/South devide wont work. Its not a 'Newcastle out - Plymouth in' scenario. If Newcastle don't run then there will be an imbalance between the North and South, but thsigns for the Diamonds are looking much more positive. Plymouth's bid was declined due to financial uncertainties. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandelion 775 Posted November 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Its not a 'Newcastle out - Plymouth in' scenario. If Newcastle don't run then there will be an imbalance between the North and South, but thsigns for the Diamonds are looking much more positive. Plymouth's bid was declined due to financial uncertainties. Where have you heard this? All I've heard is they're 'speaking with potential investors' which is about as generic of a comment as any team in Newcastle's position would make... Who knows what's actually going on? I hope you're right though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted November 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dandelion said: Where have you heard this? All I've heard is they're 'speaking with potential investors' which is about as generic of a comment as any team in Newcastle's position would make... Who knows what's actually going on? I hope you're right though Dave's probly torned his mattress owa 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,055 Posted November 17, 2019 The Fours qualifiers were always a great crowd puller, certainly in the northern section, and of course they should return. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamonds7 112 Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said: Dave's probly torned his mattress owa That the king size double Duvan thingy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted November 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, diamonds7 said: That the king size double Duvan thingy Aye, a bet there's a couple of penny blacks under there too 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leander 495 Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, screm said: The Fours qualifiers were always a great crowd puller, certainly in the northern section, and of course they should return. They certainly were, but for some reason southern fans just never took to it, and qualifiers cost southern clubs money. Remember you need to pay for 20 riders instead of 14 (4 x teams of 4 + 4 reserves), and teams are usually composed of the top riders (i.e. the most expensive). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
George Dodds 310 Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/17/2019 at 10:09 PM, leander said: They certainly were, but for some reason southern fans just never took to it, and qualifiers cost southern clubs money. Remember you need to pay for 20 riders instead of 14 (4 x teams of 4 + 4 reserves), and teams are usually composed of the top riders (i.e. the most expensive). surely it's the same as league - you only pay for your own riders - five each, although of course the home leg has to pay for the three away ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, George Dodds said: surely it's the same as league - you only pay for your own riders - five each, although of course the home leg has to pay for the three away ones. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slyfox 97 Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, George Dodds said: surely it's the same as league - you only pay for your own riders - five each, although of course the home leg has to pay for the three away ones. As you say the reason many of the promoters don't like the Fours qualifiers over 4 tracks is that as it has changed in recent seasons that you pay for your riders points home and away (not like it used to be when the home promoter paid all points). Therefore if you have a successful fours competition in this format you get income from one leg then have to pay your riders for 3 away meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,022 Posted January 19, 2020 On 11/21/2019 at 8:57 PM, slyfox said: As you say the reason many of the promoters don't like the Fours qualifiers over 4 tracks is that as it has changed in recent seasons that you pay for your riders points home and away (not like it used to be when the home promoter paid all points). Therefore if you have a successful fours competition in this format you get income from one leg then have to pay your riders for 3 away meetings. Ideally each round would have 3 sets of away fans attending, covering any rise in costs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crescent girl 1,905 Posted January 20, 2020 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Ideally each round would have 3 sets of away fans attending, covering any rise in costs! Sadly, this wouldn't happen. How many Kent fans would travel to Somerset, or Scunthorpe fans to Birmingham, on a Wednesday night for such a meeting? Even in the glory days of the 1980's, the southern tracks ran these meetings at a big loss. Nowadays, with far fewer travelling fans -- even at weekends -- the costs, especially for the southern and midland sectors, would be absolutely prohibitive. As sporting contests, such rounds would be entertaining, as business propositions (especially in the south and midlands) totally unviable. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
