Covid-19 Are we being told the truth ?

[Tim G 396]

8 minutes ago, chris4gillian said:

Don't be so silly iris, lockdowns don't work (apparently).

But will an half arsed one like this one work?

Stop flights, shut schools and it might but the one we have now means it will drag on.

But we can all look forward to three months of the new normal after this lockdown before we get put into another one.

 

[chris4gillian 1,365]

Just now, Tim G said:

But will an half arsed one like this one work?

Stop flights, shut schools and it might but the one we have now means it will drag on.

But we can all look forward to three months of the new normal after this lockdown before we get put into another one.

 

What else can be done??  Lots of you are moaning and groaning about the Nov lockdown and how it'll possibly drag on.  But NOT one of you have made any comments or suggestions on what else can be done that will guarantee a slowing down of the spread of the virus....which is exactly what lockdown will do as long as folk adhere to the law, not guidance, but law.

[Blupanther 17,643]

Europe's devastating second wave ... 

[iris123 12,818]

5 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

Europe's devastating second wave ... 

The old saying about statistics and damned lies springs to mind almost every time you post one of these graphs........

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15 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

Fairly obvious there is another way...

 

Which is all well and good, but I bet Sweden or Belarus don't have this to contend with...feckin idiots

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

[ruffdiamond 5,067]

1 hour ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

It’s all clearly a pretext to locking down over the Christmas period. Let’s see if it really lasts only 4 weeks... 

Didn't Prof. Ferguson (Dr. Lockdown) say something about Christmas, but only for a few days?

[Blupanther 17,643]

10 minutes ago, iris123 said:

The old saying about statistics and damned lies springs to mind almost every time you post one of these graphs........

They are from the European CDC, are you saying they are incorrect ?

[iris123 12,818]

3 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

They are from the European CDC, are you saying they are incorrect ?

Yup

Just have to look at R&Rs stats for the UK or here to look at the german stats to see the curve is nothing like the one you posted, so they are using the figures in a way to give a false view I guess

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=599&ei=lNaeX6K5GsT2kwWjqZD4Cw&q=germany+covid&oq=germany+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDDIICAAQyQMQkQIyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAA6BAgAEEM6BAguEEM6AgguUITJOFiz6Dhg2YM5aAFwAHgAgAHZAYgBxwuSAQU1LjcuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQDAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwii0-nt1uHsAhVE-6QKHaMUBL8Q4dUDCAw#spf=1604246055049

[The Third Man 1,455]

32 minutes ago, chris4gillian said:

What else can be done??  Lots of you are moaning and groaning about the Nov lockdown and how it'll possibly drag on.  But NOT one of you have made any comments or suggestions on what else can be done that will guarantee a slowing down of the spread of the virus....which is exactly what lockdown will do as long as folk adhere to the law, not guidance, but law.

We dont have the details of whats really happening and no one is telling us

If they gave us the full information then we could make our minds up, till then the only thing to go on is the failed lockdown we have already gone through

[THE DEAN MACHINE 3,900]

The police are acting very worrying  and clearly this is coming from strange orders above but it is good to see certain officers are not happy about the police force being used against the people 

[Vincent Blachshadow 1,963]

1 hour ago, Blupanther said:

Fairly obvious there is another way...

 

Funny how they always compare Sweden with countries with far greater population densities and never with their own neighbours. Compared to Norway and Denmark there are two winners and Sweden is neither of them.

25 minutes ago, iris123 said:

 

https://theweek.com/articles/946925/lockdowns-are-no-longer-answer

 

 

Sweden is the closest real life example of this approach. That Nordic country went maverick and rejected radical shutdowns. It opted only to ban large gatherings while closing universities and high schools. It also urged people to work from home to the extent possible. Otherwise bars, restaurants, primary schools, and retail shops stayed open.

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Supporters of the model claim that this allowed Sweden to avoid economic devastation while maintaining a death toll in the European middle — between U.K.'s high and Denmark's low. But that's misleading because Sweden's 576.25 deaths per million fatality rate is much closer to England's 682 deaths per million (almost on par with America's 690 per million) than Denmark's 122.88 — even though Sweden's population density is only 1/6^th that of Denmark's. (Norway, whose population density is similar to Sweden's, has an even lower 52.36 per million death rate.)

Edited November 1, 2020 by Vincent Blachshadow

[iris123 12,818]

1 minute ago, Vincent Blachshadow said:

Funny how they always compare Sweden with countries with far greater population densities and never with their own neighbours. Compared to Norway and Denmark there are two winners and Sweden is neither of them.

 

It shows how desperate and pathetic some of these people are. Scouring the world for a country that fits their agenda

[orion 6,904]

59 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

 

A lockdown can only work if there is an exit stratagy, 

Can it .. a lockdown will no doubt  help ease the pressure in the short term on the NHS surely that is one of the main reasons for the lockdown .. 

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last 22  weeks DAILY 7 DAY AVE all UK HOSPITAL  Covid 19 reported deaths( taken from the daily figures i quote)

W/E June 7th   134  

W/E June 14th   87 

W/E June 21st  64 

W/E June 28th  54 

W/E July 5th   39 

W/E July 12th  29 

W/E July 19th  18 

W/E July 26th  15 

W/E August 2nd  12 

W/E August 9th  11 

W/E August 16th  8 

W/E August 23rd   6 

W/E August 30th  8 

W/E September 6th 9 

W/E September 13th 9

W/E September 20th 15

W/E September 27th  26

W/E October 4th  43  other 9 total 52

W/E October 11th 58 other 10 total 68

W/E October 18th 82  other  35 total 117

W/E October 25th 149   other  30  total  179

W/E November 1st 214  other 46 total 260

[Tim G 396]

1 hour ago, chris4gillian said:

What else can be done??  Lots of you are moaning and groaning about the Nov lockdown and how it'll possibly drag on.  But NOT one of you have made any comments or suggestions on what else can be done that will guarantee a slowing down of the spread of the virus....which is exactly what lockdown will do as long as folk adhere to the law, not guidance, but law.

I did, I stated schools should be shut and flights be stopped from coming in the country.

If we are doing this do it properly otherwise we will be in and out of lockdown which will hurt businesses more.  Shut everything apart from food shops.

If people think this current half arsed idea by the clowns is going to work in the long run they are seriously wrong.