Covid-19 Are we being told the truth ?

[Crumpet91 3,419]

20 minutes ago, orion said:

Can it .. a lockdown will no doubt  help ease the pressure in the short term on the NHS surely that is one of the main reasons for the lockdown .. 

The NHS is not under any more pressure than it has been in previous years. 

[Blupanther 19,411]

 

52 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Yup

Just have to look at R&Rs stats for the UK or here to look at the german stats to see the curve is nothing like the one you posted, so they are using the figures in a way to give a false view I guess

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=599&ei=lNaeX6K5GsT2kwWjqZD4Cw&q=germany+covid&oq=germany+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDDIICAAQyQMQkQIyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAA6BAgAEEM6BAguEEM6AgguUITJOFiz6Dhg2YM5aAFwAHgAgAHZAYgBxwuSAQU1LjcuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQDAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwii0-nt1uHsAhVE-6QKHaMUBL8Q4dUDCAw#spf=1604246055049

Google and Wikipedia... please   Think i'll stick with the European CDC thanks.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Blupanther

[iris123 14,423]

10 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

 

Google and Wikipedia... please   Think i'll stick with the European CDC thanks.

You can look at the Robert Koch institute or any other proper national health agency. Look at the figures for Belgium, France,Poland, Czech Republic etc ...all rocketing, apart from maybe some always report lower figures at the weekend....

What you figures do is use a different scale of proportion to a previous period, rather than a day on day actual figure. Nice try, but doesn't work

As it is, a quick look on the ECDC site gives this

Trends in reported cases and testing

• By the end of week 43 (25 October 2020), the 14-day case notification rate for the EU/EEA and the UK, based on data collected by ECDC from official national sources from 31 countries, was 360.2 (country range: 37.7–1453.2) per 100 000 population. The rate has been increasing for 98 days.

• High levels (at least 60 per 100 000) or sustained increases (for at least seven days) in the 14-day COVID-19 case notification rates compared with the previous week have been observed in 28 countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK).

Edited November 1, 2020 by iris123

[Blupanther 19,411]

5 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You can look at the Robert Koch institute or any other proper national health agency. Look at the figures for Belgium, France,Poland, Czech Republic etc ...all rocketing, apart from maybe some always report lower figures at the weekend....

What you figures do is use a different scale of proportion to a previous period, rather than a day on day actual figure. Nice try, but doesn't work

Its pretty obvious that you can't read a graph, but its no surprise. For anyone that does understand, this is their website...

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en

[Fenway Bleachers 2,477]

50 minutes ago, iris123 said:

It shows how desperate and pathetic some of these people are. Scouring the world for a country that fits their agenda

If you look at excess deaths in the Spring, Sweden only did worse than Norway, with a younger demographic. Now I am sure you remember Erna Solbergs apology for locking down. 
If you wonder about big countries and lockdown crazy neighbours, look at Brazil and Peru. It seems the pandemic works the same magic in South America. 

[Crumpet91 3,419]

22 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

 

Google and Wikipedia... please   Think i'll stick with the European CDC thanks.

Unbelievable that someone can be that stupid. The left really have become the dumbest of the dumb.

[orion 7,014]

9 minutes ago, Crumpet said:

Unbelievable that someone can be that stupid. The left really have become the dumbest of the dumb.

Not as dumb as the same person posting under two user names    all the time and thinking it fools people 

Edited November 1, 2020 by orion

[iris123 14,423]

32 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You can look at the Robert Koch institute or any other proper national health agency. Look at the figures for Belgium, France,Poland, Czech Republic etc ...all rocketing, apart from maybe some always report lower figures at the weekend....

What you figures do is use a different scale of proportion to a previous period, rather than a day on day actual figure. Nice try, but doesn't work

As it is, a quick look on the ECDC site gives this

Trends in reported cases and testing

• By the end of week 43 (25 October 2020), the 14-day case notification rate for the EU/EEA and the UK, based on data collected by ECDC from official national sources from 31 countries, was 360.2 (country range: 37.7–1453.2) per 100 000 population. The rate has been increasing for 98 days.

• High levels (at least 60 per 100 000) or sustained increases (for at least seven days) in the 14-day COVID-19 case notification rates compared with the previous week have been observed in 28 countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK).

 

20 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

Its pretty obvious that you can't read a graph, but its no surprise. For anyone that does understand, this is their website...

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en

See above and this is the latest from Robert Koch as of this morning

Summary (as of 01/11/2020, 12:00 AM)

*Change from previous day; **Estimate

• Currently, an accelerated increase of transmissions in the population in Germany can be observed. Therefore, the entire

population is strongly encouraged to commit itself to infection prevention and control.

• The nationwide incidence over the past 7 days increased further to 114.6 cases per 100,000 population.

• Since the beginning of September, the proportion of cases in older age groups has been increasing again. The 7-day

incidence of people = 60 years has further increased to currently 75.1 cases/100.000 population.

• The 7-day incidence in Bavaria, Berlin, Bremen, Hesse, North Rhine-Westphalia and Saarland is higher than the national

total 7-day incidence.

• The number of districts with an increased 7-day incidence of >25 cases/ 100,000 inhabitants continues to rise. Only 6

districts have an incidence =25 cases/100,000 population. As of today, 154 districts have an incidence of >50-100

cases/100,000 population, 197 districts have an incidence of >100 cases/100,000 population and of these, 23 districts have

an incidence of >200 cases/100,000 population.

• The nationwide increase is caused by increasingly diffuse transmission, with numerous clusters in connection with private

gatherings, celebrations or public events, but also in educational settings, nursing and long-term care homes, as well as in

occupational settings or related to religious events.

• The number of COVID-19 patients requiring intensive care has almost tripled in the past 2 weeks from 769 patients on

18/10/2020 to 2,061 patients on 01/11/2020.

• In total, 532,930 laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases and 10,481 deaths associated with COVID-19 have been transmitted

to the RKI in Germany

 

[iris123 14,423]

15 minutes ago, Crumpet said:

Unbelievable that someone can be that stupid. The left really have become the dumbest of the dumb.

Nice try. Don't work. Official sites used, as does wikepedia etc. You and Blu have been exposed time and time again.......

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Fallzahlen.html

[Vince 8,938]

I know it the Mail but the author undoubtedly qualifies as an expert and makes some very interesting points.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8899053/DR-MIKE-YEADON-Three-facts-No-10s-experts-got-wrong.html

[iris123 14,423]

11 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Nice try. Don't work. Official sites used, as does wikepedia etc. You and Blu have been exposed time and time again.......

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Fallzahlen.html

What is interesting there is to compare two German States. Hamburg and Mecklenburg- Vorpommern. Both have roughly the same population. Hamburg 1,8 m and M-V 1.6 m

But the deaths in Hamburg 285 and in M-V just 23 !!! which shows a population spread over a large area copes much better than that in a City under basically the same conditions, give or take

But multiply the figure by 10 to get roughly the same population as Sweden and it would only give 2,850 deaths or even 230, rather than 5,938 !!

Edited November 1, 2020 by iris123

[dave69 1,439]

7 minutes ago, Vince said:

I know it the Mail but the author undoubtedly qualifies as an expert and makes some very interesting points.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8899053/DR-MIKE-YEADON-Three-facts-No-10s-experts-got-wrong.html

Not according to Facebook.I got a warning for posting and interview with Yeadon.

[Crumpet91 3,419]

23 minutes ago, orion said:

Not as dumb as the same person posting under two user names    all the time and thinking it fools people 

What on earth are you babbling on about, i think you need to up your medication.

[Vince 8,938]

3 minutes ago, dave69 said:

Not according to Facebook.I got a warning for posting and interview with Yeadon.

I expect the 44,000 qualified people who signed the report he mentions that Hancock completely dismissed are all equally dodgy too.

[topaz325 1,364]

1 hour ago, Crumpet said:

The NHS is not under any more pressure than it has been in previous years. 

Not far from the truth the NHS has been running on high capacity for years it’s just now running on high capacity with mostly Covid patients