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2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Are mass power cuts the next level of scam on humanity ?? Under the disguise of a cyber attack 

Who'll be first down the shop to buy four candles? ;)

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3 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You seem to assume there was a time when the government always told the truth . Not sure when. Not in 1994 when they denied they were on talks with the IRA and they were

What it seems you are asking us to believe though is practically every world government is telling a lie for the same reason

Not necessarily a lie, but they’ve copied each other, swallowed the same unfounded narrative and got themselves in so deep that it’s too embarrassing politically to admit their mistake.

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5 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Not necessarily a lie, but they’ve copied each other, swallowed the same unfounded narrative and got themselves in so deep that it’s too embarrassing politically to admit their mistake.

A don't think they'll ever be able to talk their way out of this one. A think they had a chance to, but could never go back now.

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10 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

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Breaking law doesn't seem to be an issue for the Government unfortunately

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March 2020 : '3 weeks to flatten the curve'.

March 2021 : 'You can't come in without your Freedom Pass'.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

March 2020 : '3 weeks to flatten the curve'.

March 2021 : 'You can't come in without your Freedom Pass'.

 

 

You crazy conspiracy theorist looney toon you ... :)

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12 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

March 2020 : '3 weeks to flatten the curve'.

March 2021 : 'You can't come in without your Freedom Pass'.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Blupanther said:

You crazy conspiracy theorist looney toon you ... :)

What about March 2022?

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4 hours ago, iris123 said:

New corona report: Sweden is the worst

Sweden has been the worst country when it comes to reducing the spread of infection according to the OECD's latest report.

- I think it is great that the material has been produced, then a continued discussion is needed about what it really means, says Anders Tegnell to the journalist Emanuel Karlsten who reviewed the report.

The Swedish people have been the worst at isolating themselves during the pandemic. Sweden is also the worst at handling corona on a number of other points. It writes the journalist  Emanuel Karlsten , who reviewed the OECD 's latest report on developments in the 35 member countries.

According to the organization's statistics, Sweden stands out on several points for its handling of the pandemic this spring - and it is not in a good way.

Sweden has, among other things, been the worst at reducing the r-number, ie the figure that indicates how many people a corona-infected person is expected to pass on the infection to. While it took Malta, which was the best, eleven days to bring the r number down to below 1, it took 58 days for Sweden.

During the spring, Sweden also had problems reducing the number of new admissions to intensive care. While France and the Netherlands reduced the number in four weeks, it took eleven weeks for Sweden to reach the same level, according to the OECD.

The Swedes have also been the worst at limiting their mobility, which can be explained by the fact that we have not had as strict closures with curfews and the like as in other parts of the world.

Tegnell admits a mistake in the strategy

Emanuel Karlsten  has interviewed state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell about the report. He points out that many times before , it is difficult to compare countries because they have different conditions and curves, for example, the spread of infection has a different context.

- I think it is great that the data has been produced and then a continued discussion is needed about what it really means. That you quickly get down to below R1, for example. The one who tests less gets faster results than the one who tests a lot, says Tegnell to Karlsten.

When he is asked if the report points out something that "is wrong with the Swedish strategy", he says yes.

- The high mortality rate in our nursing homes. There they wished we then knew what we know today. And one would again like to think about why our decline is slower, how to look at that balance. Because it has gone slowly downwards, but it has also moved slowly upwards, says Tegnell.

Here is the actual OECD report rather than a Swedish tabloid's take on it. Sweden don't fare too well in it but from my reading of it (and it's a very long read!) pretty much every country receives a kicking in certain areas and get a pat on the back in others. The UK though probably receives more kicks than pats! 

The other caveat of course as it states it is difficult to compare country to country when they are using different counting methods.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/85e4b6a1-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/85e4b6a1-en

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5 minutes ago, Shrub said:

Here is the actual OECD report rather than a Swedish tabloid's take on it. Sweden don't fare too well in it but from my reading of it (and it's a very long read!) pretty much every country receives a kicking in certain areas and get a pat on the back in others. The UK though probably receives more kicks than pats! 

The other caveat of course as it states it is difficult to compare country to country when they are using different counting methods.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/85e4b6a1-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/85e4b6a1-en

Yep, Iris’ pet Swedish tabloid specialises in kicking its own government.

Shame we don’t have one here!

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

Doh.

We know it was declared a pandemic, but my point is on what basis and is it any more a pandemic than flu is annually?

Because the definition of a pandemic has two parts. It can be either deaths over 100,000(i think) OR a virus that spreads worldwide. 

Last word on this from me, it's like trying to talk to a kid. :(

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

But “worst” implies that reducing the R number quickly has value whereas Sweden has never intended to “isolate themselves” and has always intended to allow the virus to circulate in the hope that it would achieve herd immunity or die out of its own accord and that by doing so they would not trash their economy. How do lockdowns compare in terms of keeping economies going, not creating a tax time bomb, keeping children in education and continuing with medical treatments?

You say lockdown causes the R number to go down but how do you prove it didn’t cause it to go up in the first place with households infecting each other and the number then going down as they got better? Without lockdowns there may have been fewer cases in families and consequently fewer cases in total.

 

Outbreaks  like Leicester, Manchester and other flareup areas went into lockdown because of the ignorance of the people to self distance, and the answer to that cause is to separate them by rules and that means keeps them apart. Let's call it 'Lockdown.  

End of play school for today.

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53 minutes ago, severnsider said:

Breaking law doesn't seem to be an issue for the Government unfortunately

Except of course the current plan is not to impose any vaccine to anybody within the UK. It will be available to those like me who choose to have it.

You fell for that one didn't you. :rolleyes:

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38 minutes ago, Shrub said:

Here is the actual OECD report rather than a Swedish tabloid's take on it. Sweden don't fare too well in it but from my reading of it (and it's a very long read!) pretty much every country receives a kicking in certain areas and get a pat on the back in others. The UK though probably receives more kicks than pats! 

The other caveat of course as it states it is difficult to compare country to country when they are using different counting methods.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/85e4b6a1-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/85e4b6a1-en

Something that the gang on here should be mindful of in future . B)

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25 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Because the definition of a pandemic has two parts. It can be either deaths over 100,000(i think) OR a virus that spreads worldwide. 

Last word on this from me, it's like trying to talk to a kid. :(

 

20 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Outbreaks  like Leicester, Manchester and other flareup areas went into lockdown because of the ignorance of the people to self distance, and the answer to that cause is to separate them by rules and that means keeps them apart. Let's call it 'Lockdown.  

End of play school for today.

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