Covid-19 Are we being told the truth ?

[iris123 14,423]

38 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Actually saw another German article yesterday about the PCR test and some comments from one producer calling for the RKI to be bolder in their statements and say that not all the daily infected number released were infectious....

 

Against this background, Landt advocates a rethinking by the authorities: "It would be wise if the test results were published with an evaluation," says Landt. If a person has tested positive for the coronavirus, but is not at all or only slightly infectious, then the authorities could say, for example, that contacts should be avoided. A quarantine would only be ordered if the risk of infection is high. “Unfortunately, you don't dare to do that in public,” says Landt, who especially wishes for “more courage” in this regard from the Robert Koch Institute.

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Olfert Landt comments on the “sensitivity” and “specificity” of PCR diagnostic tests as follows: “A distinction is made between analytical and diagnostic values, which unfortunately are often confused. The diagnostic sensitivity is the safe detection limit - it is usually a little under ten viruses - and can be determined with dilutions. The diagnostic specificity describes the property not to falsely detect other pathogens; this can be shown experimentally with samples of other pathogens. Both values can be checked by every laboratory. The diagnostic values are based on a comparison of two methods; if the comparison test is somewhat more sensitive, the test misses the smallest amount and has a poorer diagnostic sensitivity; if the comparison test is a little less sensitive, the test is credited with “false positive” results that mathematically lead to a poorer diagnostic specificity. Since all tests differ slightly, these values are never 100 percent. A specificity below 100 percent is falsely proclaimed as the occurrence of false positive test results. In fact, PCR results are almost always correct, but sometimes represent a viral load so low that the subjects are neither sick nor infectious. PCR detects the genome of the pathogen and not a disease. Typically, PCR is done when symptoms are present to determine who the pathogen is. With coronavirus, there are symptomless people with high levels of the virus who can infect others - for this reason, testing people without symptoms makes sense. Positive coronavirus laboratory results are based on the detection of two virus genes and are therefore doubly secured. "

https://www.fuldaerzeitung.de/fulda/corona-streit-pcr-test-hersteller-molbiol-olfert-landt-mut-panik-robert-koch-institut-berlin-90132220.html

 

[DC2 10,664]

1 hour ago, iris123 said:

 

PCR results are almost always correct, but sometimes represent a viral load so low that the subjects are neither sick nor infectious.

With coronavirus, there are symptomless people with high levels of the virus who can infect others

The first sentence is spot on (assuming the swabs have been taken properly and have not subsequently been contaminated).

The second is either dubious or incorrect.

Edited December 28, 2020 by DC2

[iris123 14,423]

Science in 5 with the lovely Dr Maria van Kerkhove 

https://mobile.twitter.com/mvankerkhove?lang=de

[Blupanther 19,411]

Ferguson and Hancock have been out measuring the snow...

[racers and royals 7,155]

Today’s UK Hospital Covid 19 reported deaths

England   318    48732

Scotland   not reported   (4472)

Wales  15  (3383)

NI  20  (1271)

total   353   - last  Monday 207

[wealdstone 3,013]

1 hour ago, DC2 said:

The first sentence is spot on (assuming the swabs have been taken properly and have not subsequently been contaminated).

The second is either dubious or incorrect.

PWW is always right!! Well he thinks he is !! Blu will have a graph to prove it anyway

[Badge 4,659]

24 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

PWW is always right!! Well he thinks he is !! Blu will have a graph to prove it anyway

Sorry to be a thicko but what's PWW 

[racers and royals 7,155]

53 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Today’s UK Hospital Covid 19 reported deaths

England   318    48732

Scotland   not reported   (4472)

Wales  15  (3383)

NI  20  (1271)

total   353   - last  Monday 207

All UK Covid 19 deaths reported today- Hospital 353 other 4 total 357

[dave69 1,439]

Tier 5 on its way .

[wealdstone 3,013]

9 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

All UK Covid 19 deaths reported today- Hospital 353 other 4 total 357

Can PWW confirm that they were all over  80 and were ill anyway

[DC2 10,664]

54 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

Can PWW confirm that they were all over  80 and were ill anyway

No, but the government will in its statistics.  Care to look?  

[iris123 14,423]

Seems the anit-vaxxers were right. Latest news here is the 101 year old woman who was vaccinated the other day is infertile !!!!

 

In other news, it seems 8 care workers at a home in Stralsund have been given 5 times more vaccine than the correct amount !!!!

Edited December 28, 2020 by iris123

[ruffdiamond 5,714]

19 minutes ago, iris123 said:

In other news, it seems 8 care workers at a home in Stralsund have been given 5 times more vaccine than the correct amount !!!!

How on earth did that happen,,, were they watching Professor Ferguson's models on the telly or something?

[iris123 14,423]

1 minute ago, ruffdiamond said:

How on earth did that happen,,, were they watching Professor Ferguson's models on the telly or something?

Seems each was given the whole contents of a vial, which apparently holds 5 doses !! But surely there should have been some training ?

[ruffdiamond 5,714]

2 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Seems each was given the whole contents of a vial, which apparently holds 5 doses !! But surely there should have been some training ?

What, you mean like 'Health & Safety' stuff?