Vince 9,063 Posted January 4, 2021 It seems to have become a matter of fact on here that if you don't think lockdowns and restrictions are te answer you don't believe covid is a real thing and do believe it is all a conspiracy so I thought I'd make my own position clear. It's unlikely anybody would agree with all my views and some will agree with none of them but that's fine, I'm no expert on the subject. Do I believe Covid is a real virus? Yes very much so, it is a horrible virus that kills people. However I also believe that it almost exclusively kills very easily identifiable sections of society and therefore solutions that apply to all aren't going to be the answer. I say almost exclusively because like any fatal disease there will be a number of cases that fall outside the normal. Do I believe that any government reaction should be based upon Professor Fergusons worst case scenario models? Not in a million years, I do understand that much of what we see in the press is not a fair representation of all that he says but government acted on his worst case model and they have been proven many times to be wildly pessimistic. Do I think the government are telling the truth? No I think they are telling a version of events using statistics carefully chosen to justify their actions rather than reacting to the real figures. There will always be some truth to their version but equally there will always be some truth to the version of those opposing their views. Usually the truth will be somewhere between just like always. Do I think lockdowns work? No, I think it is pretty clear that they are not controlling the virus, never have and never will. The time of year has far more effect than anything the government has done or will do. On the other hand when it comes to everything that isn't covid lockdowns and restrictions have been a disaster. Hundreds of thousands will die in years to come because of delayed diagnosis, even more will have their lives destroyed by unemployment, poverty and homelessness and an entire generation of kids will not understand freedom of choice or that they are responsible for their own actions. Have I been taken in by things posted on here and elsewhere that haven't been true? Yes without a doubt, I'd like to think that I have usually realised afterwards but there will undoubtedly be some that have slipped past me. I'm pretty sure that will apply to both sides of the argument but like EVERYBODY else I am more inclined to believe things that fit with the views I already hold. What do I think should be done going forward? I would make sure that everybody who is most vulnerable is identified and made aware of the fact. Then I would help those who chose to isolate and those who care for them to do so with every possible facility, including full furlough until returning to work is safe. Everybody else would be allowed to carry on as normal but I would encourage hand washing and social distancing. PCR testing would be used at the recommended cycle rate for all front line workers until the vaccination program is established and proven to work. And that would be it, trying to control a virus is far too Canute like for my way of thinking. 12 6 Share this post Link to post
DC2 10,664 Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, iris123 said: Exactly. Which is what I was trying to get to, and fits with what I posted this morning about Germany and said it should probably fit most west European cuntries..... Covid 2%. Nowhere near the Spanish flu or the Black Death (40%). Share this post Link to post
DC2 10,664 Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, iris123 said: Exactly. Which is what I was trying to get to, and fits with what I posted this morning about Germany and said it should probably fit most west European cuntries..... Your spelling is suffering! 2 Share this post Link to post
iris123 15,358 Posted January 4, 2021 And who is saying it is ? Nobody, as far as I know...... Share this post Link to post
iris123 15,358 Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Your spelling is suffering! I actually seem to have a problem with the 'o' .....and typical I have redone a few words today, but the one I miss...... 2 Share this post Link to post
Blupanther 20,250 Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, iris123 said: I actually seem to have a problem with the 'o' .....and typical I have redone a few words today, but the one I miss...... I have that problem when i tweet Greta... 1 Share this post Link to post
iris123 15,358 Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blupanther said: I have that problem when i tweet Greta... The Swedish pixie is celebrating Greta Thunberg @GretaThunberg · 3. Jan. Thank you so much for all the well-wishes on my 18th birthday! Tonight you will find me down at the local pub exposing all the dark secrets behind the climate- and school strike conspiracy and my evil handlers who can no longer control me! I am free at last!! 1 Share this post Link to post
DC2 10,664 Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, iris123 said: And who is saying it is ? Nobody, as far as I know...... Nobody is saying Covid has killed more than 2%? Are you joking? Excess deaths in the UK were running at 60,000 last time I looked and almost every one was blamed on Covid. And then more than 70,000 death certificates have mentioned Covid. So that’s considerably more than 10% compared to our usual annual deaths of 600,000 or so. Share this post Link to post
iris123 15,358 Posted January 4, 2021 I was talking about black death or Spanish flu...... Share this post Link to post
DC2 10,664 Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, iris123 said: I was talking about black death or Spanish flu...... Keep up, Iris, we’re on to Covid now. Share this post Link to post
iris123 15,358 Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DC2 said: Keep up, Iris, we’re on to Covid now. You don't seem to know what you said or talked about 10 minutes ago 2% referred to Sweden and then you mentioned black death..... and now you seem to be on about 10% and the UK If you don't know what you are on about, how the hell am I supposed to know ? Edited January 4, 2021 by iris123 1 Share this post Link to post
iris123 15,358 Posted January 4, 2021 The depressing thing about all of this, is the weather is poxy for the next few days, so I will have to put up with this, again and again and again Share this post Link to post
Star Lady 5,301 Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, iris123 said: The depressing thing about all of this, is the weather is poxy for the next few days, so I will have to put up with this, again and again and again Sadly so will the rest of us 5 Share this post Link to post
