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2 minutes ago, Fenway Bleachers said:

That may be true in Europe, though the Swiss have been more lax, but of interest perhaps is the policy in Florida. Rich Di Santos has resisted pressure for state wide lockdown and compulsory masking, preferring instead to try to shield the elderly, though letting them make choices for themselves. There is an older than average demographic in the state where many go for retirement and better weather. 
Interestingly deaths there are slightly better, and no worse than lockdown crazy California. Weather is pretty similar in both States, though Fla. wetter and more humid...but I would suggest the Republican governor has done well and even let some folk into sporting events. No chance of that in the Golden State....

Sounds interesting.

Shame we haven’t seen this featured on the BBC.  :D

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5 minutes ago, Badge said:

When stupid people introduce stupid rules ( in my opinion ) and don’t get results, they blame others for their own failings. Stirring up antagonism between police and the public going about non threatening behaviour, or worse, encouraging social unrest and conflict is the sign of a tyrannical government.

Maybe its pandemic fatigue, and some members of the public waking up to the futility of restrictions. 

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11 minutes ago, iris123 said:

All a bit of nonsense according to a bloke DC2 saw on the tele last night

 

Happy to hear from both sides. Shame he wasn’t on Newsnight to be questioned!

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39 minutes ago, Badge said:

From that article:

“A "stubborn number" of people are still refusing to follow the rules despite England entering a third coronavirus lockdown, the chairman of the National Police Chiefs' Council has said.  Speaking at a Downing Street news conference, Martin Hewitt said forces across the UK have issued almost 45,000 fines for breaches of COVID-19 rules.”

Downing Street does tend to wheel out these civil servant types now and again!

Remember the Testing Czar who “proved” that Matt Hancock had done 100,000 tests by “sending them out”, and Sir Ian Diamond, the head of statistics, who got told off for massaging his figures?  No doubt further honours await.  :D

I have no idea if 45,000 relates to December or to the whole ten months?

And if 45,000 is a lot compared to the millions of daily interactions that the public has?

4,500 a month nationally equates to 14.56 each month in Swindon.

Hardly any!

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You seem to forget or not understand......if 45,000 people have been fined how many have been warned and how many have not been seen ? I would say in both categories it would be a hell of a lot more......how many people have been fined for speeding and how many have got away with it ? Anyone who drives regularly knows the latter is far more than the former. Same with anything much. How many burglars get caught or bike thieves etc etc

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Blimey

“COVID-19: New cases may be running at 250,000 a day, and pressure on NHS 'won't start easing until March'” Sky today.

Imagine how many cases we must have had last March!

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3 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You seem to forget or not understand......if 45,000 people have been fined how many have been warned and how many have not been seen ? I would say in both categories it would be a hell of a lot more......how many people have been fined for speeding and how many have got away with it ? Anyone who drives regularly knows the latter is far more than the former. Same with anything much. How many burglars get caught or bike thieves etc etc

You’ve gone from puffing out your chest to sounding like a limp lettuce.  :D

Say what you will, 14 fines a month in a town the size of Swindon with thousands out and about every day is insignificant.

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Surely the same happens there as happens here . We have seen it often enough when packed pubs or street parties happen the police go and try to appeal to people's common sense. If they get the response they are looking for everyone goes on their way. If one or two herberts make a scene they get a fine or worse. same as people not wearing a mask when they should. Police talk to you once, ok. If they have to talk to you again, then you have a problem. We even had someone here caught trying to take a wear your mask sign down. He was taken to a cell and booked and released. A couple of hours later someone was trying to take the same sign down......when police got there it was the same guy !!!

Your little do it yourself stats are very one dimensional and not worth the webspace they take up :rolleyes:

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2 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Surely the same happens there as happens here . We have seen it often enough when packed pubs or street parties happen the police go and try to appeal to people's common sense. If they get the response they are looking for everyone goes on their way. If one or two herberts make a scene they get a fine or worse. same as people not wearing a mask when they should. Police talk to you once, ok. If they have to talk to you again, then you have a problem. We even had someone here caught trying to take a wear your mask sign down. He was taken to a cell and booked and released. A couple of hours later someone was trying to take the same sign down......when police got there it was the same guy !!!

Your little do it yourself stats are very one dimensional and not worth the webspace they take up :rolleyes:

Yabber yabber

Not even one single fine a day in Swindon.

 

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3 hours ago, iris123 said:

Isn't this just the way things are done ? It is the same with flu/pneumonia and are just provisional figures that are adjusted in about a year or so when a full investigation takes place ? Normally you look for official figures and they might, I am not sure have 2018 and even just about 2019 out. But official figures for 2020 will take quite some times to be published

It doesn't make sense to attribute a death to one cause and then alter it later, much easier to put the cause of death down to the real cause first

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6 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Yabber yabber

Not even one single fine a day in Swindon.

 

You could say that this figure proves hardly anyone drives faster than 70mph on the motorway in Wiltshire. Well you probably would :rofl:

2018

Speeding - exceed 70 mph motorway limit

171

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2 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

It doesn't make sense to attribute a death to one cause and then alter it later, much easier to put the cause of death down to the real cause first

Might not make sense but that is how the ONS works. Look at their figures...

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2 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You could say that this figure proves hardly anyone drives faster than 70mph on the motorway in Wiltshire. Well you probably would :rofl:

2018

Speeding - exceed 70 mph motorway limit

171

 

Yes, if only the Covid delinquents in Swindon didn’t run around the streets at 70mph the police might stand a chance of catching them.

Either that or delinquency is sensationalised by the media for the benefit of old grumpies and by the government as an excuse for their useless policy.  :D

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