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Now watch the cases and covid deaths plummet. The timing is very suspicious, they knew this many months ago.

 

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

Just one case amidst tens of thousands?

I guess we could be seeing the end of immunity from the early wave. You also have to actually get infected from the virus again, and you would think those that have already had it take more care than most....

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2 hours ago, DC2 said:

Here’s a good explanation of why one dose of Pfizer is said to give 90% protection rather than the original published figure of 52%:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct0pyk?xtor=ES-211-[40197_PANUK_DIV_03_NCA_icantbreathe_RET_ABC]-20210121-[bbcworldservice_howeffectiveisonedose_newscoronavirus]

But this was on the 16th a day or two before Israel announced about 13,000 vaccinated people had become infected. But even there it could be tricky according to todays news

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55734257

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31 minutes ago, iris123 said:

I guess we could be seeing the end of immunity from the early wave. You also have to actually get infected from the virus again, and you would think those that have already had it take more care than most....

.... or less care because they know they have antibodies?

There will always be exceptions to the general rule.

Given that nearly a million people a week in the UK had recently been contracting Covid you would have expected thousands of recurrences if antibody protection is limited to only six or eight months.

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1 minute ago, DC2 said:

 

There will always be exceptions to the general rule.

Given that nearly a million people a week in the UK had recently been contracting Covid you would have expected thousands of recurrences if antibody protection is limited to only six or eight months.

I agree with the first part

The second part doesn't make sense, because if in recent weeks people are getting infected it will take some months before they might get re-infected.

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1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

Today’s UK Hospital Covid 19 reported deaths

England    789    64111

Scotland  89   (5557)

Wales  46  (4392)

NI   21    (1692)

Total   945    - last  Thursday 1018

All UK Covid 19 deaths reported today- Hospital 945   other  345     total  1290    ( last Thursday 1248)

1st dose vaccinated 4.9 M   2nd dose 464,000

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4 minutes ago, iris123 said:

I agree with the first part

The second part doesn't make sense, because if in recent weeks people are getting infected it will take some months before they might get re-infected.

How about the millions infected in the first wave?  That was the point I was making about even more millions getting it now. Some would have been recurrences.

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Last 16  weeks DAILY 7 DAY AVE all UK HOSPITAL AND OTHER   Covid 19 reported deaths( taken from the daily figures i quote

W/E October 4th  43  other 9 total 52

W/E October 11th 58 other 10 total 68

W/E October 18th 82  other  35 total 117

W/E October 25th 149   other  30  total  179

W/E November 1st 214  other 46 total 260

W/E November 8th 272 other  60    total 332

W/E November 15th 331 other   80    total   413

W/E November 22nd  355  other   87       total  442

W/E November 29th  357 other 103    total  460

W/E December 6th  345  other  84        total 429

W/E December 13th  332  other  88    total  420 

W/E December 20th  369 other    93    total  462

W/E December 27th 392  other   82       total  474

W/E January 3rd  478   other  126      total  604

W/E January 10th 712  other   197    total  909

W/E January 17th  876   other    243    total  1119

This week ( Mon/Thur)  912  other   418        total  1330

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3 minutes ago, DC2 said:

How about the millions infected in the first wave?

Do we know none have been reinfected ? I just see this which only goes up to November. And that isn't 100% because they might be asymptomatic

Of 11 000 healthcare workers who had proved evidence of infection during the first wave of the pandemic in the UK between March and April 2020, none had symptomatic reinfection in the second wave of the virus between October and November 2020. As a result, the researchers felt confident that immunity to reinfection lasts at least six months in the case of the novel coronavirus, with further studies required to understand much more.

 

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12 minutes ago, iris123 said:

But this was on the 16th a day or two before Israel announced about 13,000 vaccinated people had become infected. But even there it could be tricky according to todays news

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55734257

Yes, the jury’s still out, but the 90% figure is based on protection from two or three weeks onwards and remember the message is that it’s not protection from contracting the disease but from its worst symptoms and effects.

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17 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Yes, the jury’s still out, but the 90% figure is based on protection from two or three weeks onwards and remember the message is that it’s not protection from contracting the disease but from its worst symptoms and effects.

Well this is from yesterday saying the UK should reconsider their strategy

In our view, all of these reasons should make the government reconsider their strategy. If they are determined to continue with the delayed second dose, then a robust randomized evaluation is urgently required. Furthermore, if there is an apparently plentiful supply of the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine, which is being rolled out at pace and for which there is a scientific basis for a delay in second dose, is there really a need for the mRNA delayed strategy?

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/20/revisiting-the-uks-strategy-for-delaying-the-second-dose-of-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

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9 minutes ago, Crumpet82 said:

96% occurred within 60 days or had COVID-19 on the death certificate.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/

I think this explains that better, doesn’t it:

  • 88% of deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test and 96% occurred within 60 days or had COVID-19 on the death certificate

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17 minutes ago, DC2 said:

I think this explains that better, doesn’t it:

  • 88% of deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test and 96% occurred within 60 days or had COVID-19 on the death certificate

Yes, that's why i posted the link.

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7 hours ago, DC2 said:

That apparently was a directive in April, wasn’t it?

As was “suspected Covid” without a positive test.

Which makes a mockery of the fact that more than 80% of those with Covid symptoms in April actually tested negative.

Had they not had the test and died, or died without the doctor knowing about the test result or with him suspecting it was wrong, the doctor could well have certified them as a Covid death regardless!

Also no post mortems were to be carried out.

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