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Spain’s deaths down again:

In Spain, the daily number of deaths has declined for the fourth consecutive day, raising tentative hopes that the worst of the country’s outbreak is over.

The daily death toll on Monday was recorded at 637, the lowest number reported since March 24.

Austria aims to re-open some shops next week and all shops by 1 May.

Apparently, South Korea did close schools and has two metre social distancing, but otherwise socialising and businesses remained open and they have only 186 deaths.

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2 hours ago, Vince said:

They're both on a hiding for nothing. If it turns out the lockdown wasn't really necessary they will get slaughtered for being over cautious and throwing non existent money at the problem. If the virus is as bad as some predict they will be slaughtered for not imposing the lockdown soon enough or strongly enough and failing to provide enough funding. This government has to be in the worst situation in my lifetime when it comes to retaining good will.

It really demonstrates how a combination of the media and medical advisors can whip a furore out of proportion. Of course, no politician wants to be the one ignoring the warnings and then having a disaster on their hands, medical advisors don't want to be ones calculating 'acceptable losses' even though that's the reality with an epidemic, and businesses don't want to the ones exposing themselves to potential liabilities by continuing to operate against the advice of the former. 

I certainly wouldn't blame the medical advisors who are at the sharp end and see the deaths first hand, but equally any health service has to rely on the wider economy to be able to function, and if it's not functioning then there won't be an effective health service for long. I also don't completely blame the politicians, although this does smack of quite poor leadership (in many countries) in weighing up the real risks and which sections of the population need more protection than others.

What has to be remembered is COVID-19 has actually been around for at least 4 months, and people were freely travelling around the world for at least 3 of those months. And so far about 10% of the global population has contracted it, and 0.5% of the global population has died from it. But even that has to be put into the perspective that you'd normally expect 0.3% of the global population to die in that same period, which would be even higher in the Northern Hemisphere winter. Going on this, it's barely different from any other winter. 

Meanwhile, the UK economy is reportedly losing 2.4 billion per day, and GDP is expected to drop by 30% in Q2 which is something like double what it was during the whole of the Great Depression. That certainly knocks '350 million per week' into a cocked hat.. :rolleyes:

I think there are now signs that some national governments are realising they've overreacted and can't allow the economy to be wrecked much longer. Plus the population won't stand for it, so they're having to start talking about when the restrictions will be relaxed. 

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3 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

It really demonstrates how a combination of the media and medical advisors can whip a furore out of proportion. Of course, no politician wants to be the one ignoring the warnings and then having a disaster on their hands, medical advisors don't want to be ones calculating 'acceptable losses' even though that's the reality with an epidemic, and businesses don't want to the ones exposing themselves to potential liabilities by continuing to operate against the advice of the former. 

I certainly wouldn't blame the medical advisors who are at the sharp end and see the deaths first hand, but equally any health service has to rely on the wider economy to be able to function, and if it's not functioning then there won't be an effective health service for long. I also don't completely blame the politicians, although this does smack of quite poor leadership (in many countries) in weighing up the real risks and which sections of the population need more protection than others.

What has to be remembered is COVID-19 has actually been around for at least 4 months, and people were freely travelling around the world for at least 3 of those months. And so far about 10% of the global population has contracted it, and 0.5% of the global population has died from it. But even that has to be put into the perspective that you'd normally expect 0.3% of the global population to die in that same period, which would be even higher in the Northern Hemisphere winter. Going on this, it's barely different from any other winter. 

Meanwhile, the UK economy is reportedly losing 2.4 billion per day, and GDP is expected to drop by 30% in Q2 which is something like double what it was during the whole of the Great Depression. That certainly knocks '350 million per week' into a cocked hat.. :rolleyes:

 

“And so far about 10% of the global population has contracted it, and 0.5% of the global population has died from it.”

Where did you get those figures from, Humph?

They seem miles out to me.

I doubt that more than 1% of the world’s population has it and no more than 1% of those has died.

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3 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

It really demonstrates how a combination of the media and medical advisors can whip a furore out of proportion. Of course, no politician wants to be the one ignoring the warnings and then having a disaster on their hands, medical advisors don't want to be ones calculating 'acceptable losses' even though that's the reality with an epidemic, and businesses don't want to the ones exposing themselves to potential liabilities by continuing to operate against the advice of the former. 

I certainly wouldn't blame the medical advisors who are at the sharp end and see the deaths first hand, but equally any health service has to rely on the wider economy to be able to function, and if it's not functioning then there won't be an effective health service for long. I also don't completely blame the politicians, although this does smack of quite poor leadership (in many countries) in weighing up the real risks and which sections of the population need more protection than others.

What has to be remembered is COVID-19 has actually been around for at least 4 months, and people were freely travelling around the world for at least 3 of those months. And so far about 10% of the global population has contracted it, and 0.5% of the global population has died from it. But even that has to be put into the perspective that you'd normally expect 0.3% of the global population to die in that same period, which would be even higher in the Northern Hemisphere winter. Going on this, it's barely different from any other winter. 

Meanwhile, the UK economy is reportedly losing 2.4 billion per day, and GDP is expected to drop by 30% in Q2 which is something like double what it was during the whole of the Great Depression. That certainly knocks '350 million per week' into a cocked hat.. :rolleyes:

Agree with everything here, but what figures are you basing the emboldened part on?

Official figures show 70,182 deaths... that's not quite 0.5% of 7.8 billion is it now?

The total global deaths only come to about 0.1% of the UK's population, never mind the world.

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1 minute ago, DC2 said:

 

“And so far about 10% of the global population has contracted it, and 0.5% of the global population has died from it.”

Where did you get those figures from, Humph?

They seem miles out to me.

I doubt that more than 1% of the world’s population has it and no more than 1% of those has died.

That's twice we've posted the same thing in the last 24 hours almost simultaneously... scary!

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52135814

Another article attacking a country doing it 'differently'.

There really does seem a concerted effort to undermine any countries out of line with the media induced steps most are taking. Just as with Sweden, this article seeks to portray the Dutch as being reckless, talks about high mortality rates etc but gives no comparisons at all.

The Dutch have approximately 1.54x the population of neighbouring Belgium... but only 1.08x the deaths...  Yet the Dutch are the ones portrayed with the soaring death rate??

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3 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

“And so far about 10% of the global population has contracted it, and 0.5% of the global population has died from it.”

Where did you get those figures from, Humph?

They seem miles out to me.

I doubt that more than 1% of the world’s population has it and no more than 1% of those has died.

Yep, that's because I forget to divide by 100. :rolleyes:

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Another interesting graph here:

Take a look at how pneumonia deaths have fallen of a cliff this year.. what could have happened there one wonders??

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3 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

That's twice we've posted the same thing in the last 24 hours almost simultaneously... scary!

Hadn't noticed, i feel like Bill Murray in groundhog day :neutral:

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2 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Yep, that's because I forget to divide by 100. :rolleyes:

Same mistake I made earlier in this thread, easily done! :)

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May reach the point where we have  take our chances ( protect the most vulnerable as best we can)and the rest of us set about repairing/saving  the economy

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6 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

There really does seem a concerted effort to undermine any countries out of line with the media induced steps most are taking. Just as with Sweden, this article seeks to portray the Dutch as being reckless, talks about high mortality rates etc but gives no comparisons at all.

The Dutch have approximately 1.54x the population of neighbouring Belgium... but only 1.08x the deaths...  Yet the Dutch are the ones portrayed with the soaring death rate??

The Dutch introduced stricter measures before the UK did, but the medical community there has always had more of a mentality of 'herd immunity'. You basically have to be close to dead before you'll get antibiotics for example, because the view is that overuse damages their effectiveness.

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Why hasn’t the government published statistics analysing our coronavirus deaths by age, medical conditions, location of death and other “causes” recorded on the death certificates?

That would bring into focus where the real risk is so the rest of us can get back to work.

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It seems likely going by what someone said on one of the covid specials last night that over 30% of the deaths in Germany at in old people’s homes. More than 500 was the figure stated

The talk got round to worried children taking their parent out of the homes

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28 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Haven’t heard that. But we have the problem of each state making their own rules. Lower Saxony closed the diy shops, so people were then traveling further to go to those open in the neighboring state. The diy shop owners were complaining they were losing customers. They have re-opened them today with some restrictions. I think it is one customer to every 10m2

Apparently this is law anyway, regardless of any lockdown. I'm not convinced she's right though!

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