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4 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

'....the possible links between the vaccine and potential side effects are still being investigated....'

Now deny it's not experimental.

If it had been fully evaluated through the normal processes/time frame, side effects would have been known and published to allow informed consent. 

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Vaccines are always monitored after release for this reason

After vaccines are licensed, they are monitored closely as people begin using them. The purpose of monitoring is to watch for adverse events (possible side effects). Monitoring a vaccine after it is licensed helps ensure that the benefits continue to outweigh the risks for people who receive the vaccine.

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3 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Vaccines are always monitored after release for this reason

After vaccines are licensed, they are monitored closely as people begin using them. The purpose of monitoring is to watch for adverse events (possible side effects). Monitoring a vaccine after it is licensed helps ensure that the benefits continue to outweigh the risks for people who receive the vaccine.

There's your problem.

It isn't.

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14 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

There's your problem.

It isn't.

Why is that a problem ?

They have received a special allowance to be used, and will be monitored, the same as if they had a licence and would be monitored

The UK just changed regulation because they didn't want to wait for the EU and anyway, people wanted out of the EU, so they could make their own decisions

https://post.parliament.uk/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-the-uk/

If I remember rightly, you were one of the most outspoken for 'making our own decisions' and now.......

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9 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Why is that a problem ?

They have received a special allowance to be used, and will be monitored, the same as if they had a licence and would be monitored

The UK just changed regulation because they didn't want to wait for the EU and anyway, people wanted out of the EU, so they could make their own decisions

https://post.parliament.uk/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-the-uk/

If I remember rightly, you were one of the most outspoken for 'making our own decisions' and now.......

And I still am.

But this bloke doesn't see it like that.

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Wolfie summed up in one meme :D

Everyone I Don't Like is a Communist: The Trump Supporter's Guide to  Political Discussion: Fuckthealtright

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21 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

There's your problem.

It isn't.

Correct, all have been granted emergency use licences. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are never approved and fully licensed, as it would leave the manufacturers open to a mountain of compensation claims.

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How did the human race survive a million years of annual coronaviruses without big pharma and merchants of doom. Might be something in this ‘immune system’ conspiracy theory.

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10 minutes ago, Crumpet85 said:

How did the human race survive a million years of annual coronaviruses without big pharma and merchants of doom. Might be something in this ‘immune system’ conspiracy theory.

Life expectancies have risen massively over the last century. People used to drop like flies before modern medicine and vaccines came along 

Something like 90% of indigenous Americans were killed off by the arrival of Europeans, and not only from violence 

Native Americas at that time had never been in contact with the pathogens the colonists brought, creating so-called “virgin soil” epidemics. People who didn’t die from smallpox, died from the following wave of influenza. Those who survived that succumbed to measles. Warfare, famine and colonial atrocities did the rest in the Great Dying.

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8 hours ago, Gambo said:

The problem is that they often don't say the figures concerned.

2 cases rising to 4 cases is a 100% increase whereas 4 cases reducing to 2 cases is only a 50% decrease!

and that's how you can make the numbers look so different. 

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1 hour ago, Crumpet85 said:

How did the human race survive a million years of annual coronaviruses without big pharma and merchants of doom. Might be something in this ‘immune system’ conspiracy theory.

The Black Death is estimated to have reduced the population of Europe in the early 14th century by anything up to 60%. Yes, the human race survived, but are you saying that scale of loss of life is acceptable? If only medicine was advanced enough to have invented a vaccination, eh?

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1 hour ago, iris123 said:

Wolfie summed up in one meme :D

Everyone I Don't Like is a Communist: The Trump Supporter's Guide to  Political Discussion: Fuckthealtright

Saves having to come up with rational and well-researched facts to rebut the argument. 

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36 minutes ago, norbold said:

Saves having to come up with rational and well-researched facts to rebut the argument. 

A great 3 part series on Radio 4 about Wolfie and his ilk.  Very interesting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000t034

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All UK Covid 19 deaths reported on Saturday 24th 86 yesterday Sunday 25th 28 

1st dose vaccinations 46.5 M

2nd dose 37.1 M

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Last 43 weeks DAILY 7 DAY AVE all UK    Covid 19 reported deaths( taken from the daily figures i quote)

W/E October 4th     total 52

W/E October 11th   total 68

W/E October 18th    total 117

W/E October 25th total  179

W/E November  1st  total 260

W/E November 8th total  332

W/E November 15th    total   413

W/E November 22nd    total  442

W/E November 29th     total  460

W/E December 6th       total 429

W/E December 13th      total  420 

W/E December 20th      total  462

W/E December 27th        total  474

W/E January 3rd          total  604

W/E January 10th     total  909

W/E January 17th      total  1119

W/E January 24th      total  1240

W/E January  31st        total 1174

W/E February 7th      total  901

W/E February 14th      total   672

W/E February 21st      total  488

W/E February 28th       total  324

W/E March 7th        total  211

W/E March 14th           total  145

W/E March 21st    total  91

W/E March 28th         total  62

W/E April 4th       total   35 **

W/E April 11th     total 36 **     ** i think we can safely say that the figures are coming down every week- because of Easter reporting being delayed i would expect W/E 4th April to be more like 39 and W/E 11th April 32

W/E April 18th    total   26

W/E April 25th    total  23

W/E May 2nd       total  16

W/E May 9th      total   10

W/E May 16th    total   11

W/E May 23rd      total  6

W/E May 30th       total  9

W/E June 6th     total  8

W/E June 13th    total    9

W/E June 20th    total 10

W/E  June 27th    total  18

W/E  July 4th      total   17

W/E July 11th     total   29

W/E July 18th    total   40

W/E July 25th    total  64

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11 hours ago, norbold said:

The Black Death is estimated to have reduced the population of Europe in the early 14th century by anything up to 60%. Yes, the human race survived, but are you saying that scale of loss of life is acceptable? If only medicine was advanced enough to have invented a vaccination, eh?

No, antibiotics would have dealt with Yersinia.

You May recall the “ public health “ measures at the time of confining the healthy with those affected increased the death count many times, looks like we have not learned much from meddling “ to keep everyone safe”

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