Covid-19 Are we being told the truth ?

[Wolfsbane 12,234]

Johnson's '10 year drugs plan'.

What you won't be told is what's planned as the final outcome.

As predicted.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/boris-johnsons-new-war-on-drugs-plans-revealed/

[Blupanther 19,363]

A message for everyone, everywhere...

 

[iris123 14,375]

1 hour ago, DC2 said:

Every day the news programmes tell us about the importance of vaccinations and the number who have been vaccinated, but despite the government’s Better Health campaign - has anyone noticed it? - there is practically never a mention, and certainly not a daily one, of the link between dying from Covid and being fat.

Why don’t they give a reminder everyday that age, infirmity and obesity are the biggest risks to a bad outcome from a Covid?

Why isn’t that drilled into us in the same way that the importance of vaccination is?

Might it be because it undermines the vaccination message for those who are young and healthy?

Just another example of truth being sacrificed for expediency.

Well they had a project to tell people . I am fairly sure it is common knowledge anyway. I obviously can't say what is on UK tv, but here we have weekly, probably daily programmes telling us how important it is to eat and live helthily. We have cases of real people who have joint problems or diabetes etc and how changing their diet can change their health....

I imagine as in most cases, these things are regularly in the press, just some people don't see them. Just like some people don't know the existence of speedway despite news coverage and posters around town....... 

[DC2 10,664]

3 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Well they had a project to tell people . I am fairly sure it is common knowledge anyway. I obviously can't say what is on UK tv, but here we have weekly, probably daily programmes telling us how important it is to eat and live helthily. We have cases of real people who have joint problems or diabetes etc and how changing their diet can change their health....

I imagine as in most cases, these things are regularly in the press, just some people don't see them. Just like some people don't know the existence of speedway despite news coverage and posters around town....... 

Yes, we have plenty of diet, fitness and health programmes but none links them to Covid.

A reminder on the daily news every night that age, infirmity and obesity are the three biggest Covid killers might help people focus on how they themselves can reduce risks without relying on vaccination and restricting the freedoms of other people.

[iris123 14,375]

I do see lots of articles etc going back years

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-obesity-admissions-rise-year-weight-health-diabetes-cost-patients-a8288106.html

https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/about-us/news/imperial-researchers-call-for-urgent-action-to-tackle-obesity-epidemic

https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2018/03/06/why-we-are-working-to-reduce-calorie-intake/

https://oxfordbrc.nihr.ac.uk/research-themes-overview/obesity-diet-and-lifestyle/

https://connect.open.ac.uk/health-wellbeing-and-sports/britains-fat-fight-with-hugh-fearnley-whittingstall

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-57598171

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57144922

[DC2 10,664]

Shredded wheat has less than 1% sugar, Frosties 37%.

Why does the government allow this?

Sure, if adults want the freedom to eat sugary foods they can freely spoon on as much sugar as they like, but do parents realise how much sugar is in cereal and would responsible ones allow their children to sprinkle ten tea spoonfuls if all cereal were less than 1%?

[iris123 14,375]

https://news.sky.com/story/obesity-a-major-factor-in-risk-of-hospitalisation-and-death-from-covid-study-12290433

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/what-makes-you-at-risk-from-coronavirus

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/covid-report-minister-george-freeman-blame-death-toll-uk-obesity-government-1244745

https://www.ft.com/content/e800fea6-e61a-4b9e-9f03-7401847efaa8

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/who-is-at-high-risk-from-coronavirus/

also a paper on the media..

It is argued that the context of the pandemic has produced a range of discourses around obesity that are more stigmatising than usual in both the tabloids and the broadsheets, with people with obesity being construed, for example, in especially fatalistic terms and as being responsible for the problems facing the country’s healthcare system. At the same time, the pandemic context also seems to have given rise to some more positive changes to press coverage of obesity, with race-related health disparities receiving more focus than usual and the right-leaning press being more likely to critique the Conservative Government than it usually is, resulting in an arguably more balanced style of reporting.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17405904.2021.1933116

[DC2 10,664]

4 minutes ago, iris123 said:

I do see lots of articles etc going back years

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-obesity-admissions-rise-year-weight-health-diabetes-cost-patients-a8288106.html

https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/about-us/news/imperial-researchers-call-for-urgent-action-to-tackle-obesity-epidemic

https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2018/03/06/why-we-are-working-to-reduce-calorie-intake/

https://oxfordbrc.nihr.ac.uk/research-themes-overview/obesity-diet-and-lifestyle/

https://connect.open.ac.uk/health-wellbeing-and-sports/britains-fat-fight-with-hugh-fearnley-whittingstall

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-57598171

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57144922

Yes, Iris, we know that, but against your 7 articles, I’ll raise you fifty TV news reports a day for the last twenty months, making 30,000, where barely a mention of obesity and Covid has occurred.

Mask-wearing has been promoted 1,000 fold over losing weight, to the point where laws enforce it.

[iris123 14,375]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/this-morning-obesity-debate-coronavirus-18200834

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uks-dire-covid-deaths-partly-23754562

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/obesity-identified-as-reason-for-britains-covid-death-tolls-ncf3q3fnp

 

[DC2 10,664]

1 minute ago, iris123 said:

 

It is argued that the context of the pandemic has produced a range of discourses around obesity that are more stigmatising than usual in both the tabloids and the broadsheets, with people with obesity being construed, for example, in especially fatalistic terms and as being responsible for the problems facing the country’s healthcare system. At the same time, the pandemic context also seems to have given rise to some more positive changes to press coverage of obesity, with race-related health disparities receiving more focus than usual and the right-leaning press being more likely to critique the Conservative Government than it usually is, resulting in an arguably more balanced style of reporting.

 

 

That is the classic “don’t tell the truth of a fundamental principle in case there is a hypothetical side effect that might affect some people”.

 

[ruffdiamond 5,684]

33 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Well they had a project to tell people . I am fairly sure it is common knowledge anyway. I obviously can't say what is on UK tv, but here we have weekly, probably daily programmes telling us how important it is to eat and live helthily. We have cases of real people who have joint problems or diabetes etc and how changing their diet can change their health....

I imagine as in most cases, these things are regularly in the press, just some people don't see them. Just like some people don't know the existence of speedway despite news coverage and posters around town....... 

 

26 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Yes, we have plenty of diet, fitness and health programmes but none links them to Covid.

A reminder on the daily news every night that age, infirmity and obesity are the three biggest Covid killers might help people focus on how they themselves can reduce risks without relying on vaccination and restricting the freedoms of other people.

Little bit of simple science. 

If you have 2 guys 6 ft tall,

1 is 30 stone and the other is 15 stone, if you take them apart you'll probably find that they're structure, (skeleton) that is holding them up are probably about the same size. All moving parts, like joints and stuff the same too,,, if you were to imagine these joints as bearings and realised that one set is taking double the stress of the other one, which one in normal circumstances would last longer?

Edited December 5, 2021 by ruffdiamond

[ruffdiamond 5,684]

13 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Shredded wheat has less than 1% sugar, Frosties 37%.

Why does the government allow this?

Sure, if adults want the freedom to eat sugary foods they can freely spoon on as much sugar as they like, but do parents realise how much sugar is in cereal and would responsible ones allow their children to sprinkle ten tea spoonfuls if all cereal were less than 1%?

Yes, but shredded wheat is boring and is like eating straw, whereas tigers eat frosties,,, its advertising abuse. 

[DC2 10,664]

6 minutes ago, iris123 said:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/this-morning-obesity-debate-coronavirus-18200834

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uks-dire-covid-deaths-partly-23754562

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/obesity-identified-as-reason-for-britains-covid-death-tolls-ncf3q3fnp

 

Thank you for proving my point, Iris.

That TV news show is from January 2021 when the minister, Theresa Coffey, said being fat is the reason the UK suffered most, and as Susanah Read said:

how come she’s saying that only now when Boris admitted it about himself in May 2020?

Seven months with barely a mention about obesity and Covid!

Anyway, good to see the esteemed Doctor Aseem Malhotra being called upon again though.  

[iris123 14,375]

6 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

 

Little bit of simple science. 

If you have 2 guys 6 ft tall,

1 is 30 stone and the other is 15 stone, if you take them apart you'll probably find that they're structure, (skeleton) that is holding them up are probably about the same size. All moving parts, like joints and stuff the same too,,, if you were to imagine these joints as bearings and realised that one set is taking double the stress of the other one, which in normal circumstances would last longer?

Oh you watched one of the programmes on tv discussing this ? I have also seen quite a lot. Plenty of newspaper articles and magazines full of this stuff. You don't live too far from DC2 . Maybe you could send him one. He doesn't seem to think they exist. Ta muchy

[Blupanther 19,363]

25 minutes ago, DC2 said:

Shredded wheat has less than 1% sugar, Frosties 37%.

Why does the government allow this?

Sure, if adults want the freedom to eat sugary foods they can freely spoon on as much sugar as they like, but do parents realise how much sugar is in cereal and would responsible ones allow their children to sprinkle ten tea spoonfuls if all cereal were less than 1%?

Shredded wheat is not food, it's processed junk. By the time the body converts the refined carbs into sugars, it's then laid down as fat. It's just the lesser of two evils. Over 90% of all 'food' advertised on TV is garbage, because it's cheap to produce and provides the biggest profit margin. Don't blame the butter for what the bread did...