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3 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said:

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A think you need to see a specialist. 

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28 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Where are you?

 

Fuerteventura 

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19 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

A think atm, its advice or recommendations and left to each to decide what to do. 

Hopefully common sense will prevail because it's putting the health of employees at potential risk.

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7 minutes ago, waiheke1 said:

Are they slowing down in Asia?

For sure in the developed countries like Singapore and South Korea. But in places like Phillipines, Thailand, Indonesia I think it's more likely the number of cases and fatalities massively understated. And unlikely to improve without drastic measures, which i guess we are starting to see.

Certainly in places like China, Hong Kong, Japan etc. They seem to have got on top of it better than Europe, and European countries are overtaking them in terms of numbers.

Indonesia is showing 7 deaths so far. A couple of weeks ago I saw an article about how Indonesia had had no cases, so I guess that is increasing.

Thailand has one death and has a good health service.

I think the only real figure we can go by is the number of deaths. The number of cases is reliant on people being tested.

Philippines, though, in particular, I can see a real problem developing. And all the shut down of Manila has probably achieved is a mass exodus from the city on crowded public transport over a couple of days which will probably spread it further.

It's all very well putting soldiers on the streets and chucking foreigners out, but there seems to be no scientific approach there and I think they might end up with a major problem.

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A see that the BBC has decided to stop filming 'Eastenders' and such things.  Although this is likely to cause a bit of a fracas, it's the sensible thing to do.

Every cloud and that. 

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17 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

Hopefully common sense will prevail because it's putting the health of employees at potential risk.

Based on?

If you're not suffering from a serious underlying illness your risk is miniscule.

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Also,  a gin distillery is to stop production of gin,  to make a high strength sanitizer.

Now what does that tell you?

A no what's gonna be top on my shopping list.

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20 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Based on?

If you're not suffering from a serious underlying illness your risk is miniscule.

But others may have dependants that may well have and therefore exposing them to the virus unintentionally.

However I do forsee circumstances changing very shortly as regards policy. We shall have to wait and see but I can see my place of work falling into line with others in York sooner rather than later. We're being updated daily as regards any changes.

 

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32 minutes ago, YerRopes said:

Fuerteventura 

 

Holiday or do you live there?

How many cases on the island?

 

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30 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

What is the gaffer (Boris) meant to do?

Tell everyone that there is a killer disease and lots are going to die, which might create a massive widespread unmanageable panic, or

Play it cool and say there is a new illness, a bit like the flu which will make a lot of people feel unwell,  some even really poorly.  Whilst trying to sort out a back up plan?

It seems that new measures/advice is happening daily, affecting pubs etc, large sporting industries, don't travel or leave the country. You can't just switch it off overnight and, in the meantime gives people some time to think about things and accept that things might be different in the future. 

 

I have Covid-19 and I can assure you that we have not been told the truth and that there was/is inadequate management of the situation. The government could have shut the country down weeks ago and limited the spread. It chose not too and to take a policy of assuming that a large percent will get it and then it will die out due to people becoming immune. What they failed to consider is that in order for this to be effective 250000 will die. Now that this has been realised they have changed policy but it is too late.

Now for my own experience; I was admitted into hospital late last week after a visit from the paramedics. I spent 6 hours in the wards unsupervised as they tested me. I was tested for everything except corona, ( "we don't test for corona in the UK anymore" ). After 6 hours the doctor told me that all other tests are negative so it has to be corona (but as it hasn't been officially confirmed, as we no longer test in the UK for corona, it doesnt get listed as a confirmed case in the statistics). After reacting well to the IV I was told to go home and self isolate until it has passed. In questioning how I get home, the doctor recommended a taxi. I asked what type of taxi driver will take a corona patient who was still being sick, to which he had no answer. So I was in the hospital, confirmed by the doctor as having corona and what did they do? The answer; nothing, I was left in the public areas and had free access to roam. I was sick several times in the public bathrooms and nothing was done about it, no attempt to clean or sanitise leaving everybody else exposed. When I was deemed OK to be discharged, I was shown an open door to the main public area, where I was subsequently immediately sick again.

Have the government played this well? No, they took an ill advised high risk strategy that will lead to thousands of deaths. They didn't want to learn from the Chinese example because at a time when the economy is struggling they didn't want to be seen as the government to take steps to put more pressure on. They can always blame corona afterwards if things get really bad rather than taking a proactive approach.

Are the health services prepared. No, my own experience indicates that inadequate processes are in place to limit the spread. 

Are the numbers being covered up? Yes, we have no real idea of the true numbers as almost all testing has deliberately stopped which makes favourable reading for the media releases.

Is they proper screening at the airports? No, I was already sick when coming through UK borders on Friday. I wasn't sick when we took off but took a bad turn on the plane. No one checked me. I have travelled to other countries in the last few weeks and they were all screening. 

 

Have we we been giving a false sense of security and are still living in denial? Hell yes, most in the UK now, as a result of not reacting and taking the learnings from elsewhere, coupled with an ill advised high risk strategy will get it.

I wish you all good luck, trust me it isn't pleasant....and not going away soon

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3 hours ago, MattK said:

I agree 100%, hence why I posted the graph. People can see the raw data with their own eyes.

 

Can they? Do we really believe this “data”?

When has South Korea ever been the barometer of anything by which the Western world sets its standards?

The UK believes it has between 10,000 and 50,000 cases. That’s too vague to make judgments.

Turkey says it has 47 cases!

How come?

The “data” is clearly not sufficiently reliable to draw any conclusions.

 

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Just a holiday, hasn't been great since the curfew started on Sunday.. 

The last I heard was there were 3 cases on the island, none serious.. 

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MPs have been told to only attend PMQs if they have a question on the order paper.

One piece of good news amongst all the gloom. Parliament is expected to rise for the Easter recess on tuesday so today is Steptoe's last PMQs:t:

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6 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

When has South Korea ever been the barometer of anything by which the Western world sets its standards?

 

Come on DC wake up, South Korea is a major motor manufacturing country so much so that the major western manufacturers spend much of their time trying to catch up with them. 

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