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1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said:

Did anyone notice anything in that clip???

SSSHHH . You can't note that or you will be called a racist.

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23 minutes ago, chunky said:

Of course, we can't go by simple totals alone. There are many other factors like percentage of deaths, and population density. Here are some figures I found.

20 - average deaths from flu daily 

331 million - US Population

60 million - Italy Population

94 people per m2 (population density US)

532 people per m2 (population density Italy)

0.0% - Italians without access to healthcare

8.5% - Americans (2.8 million) without access to healthcare.

Population density is perhaps the most telling factor, particularly when you look at the regions where the coronavirus deaths are occuring.

Thanks Chunky, very interesting.

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24 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

SSSHHH . You can't note that or you will be called a racist.

No Dave!!!, why wasn't there an orderly queue and someone handing out goods fairly???

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4 hours ago, iris123 said:

It was more an observation on predicting what is going to happen next. Just look at what other countries have done 

In a way he was getting praise from some on here for doing things differently and taking the good medical advice. In reality imo, all he has done is dither

 

Of course he is following the progress of others. We are a month behind China, and about three weeks behind Italy, so it is logical that when you start a plan for the UK the progress of different approaches in other country's  ahead of you might show certain indicators. BTW it's not what Boris is doing, it's what Boris is doing given the advice of his medical advisers.  

Like a lot of people think Boris is doing an admirable job, and this is shown on Twitter and the Independant sites where non Tory's are giving him tremendous support. I think they all realise Corbyn would be promising everything to everyone, knowing that his government would not know how they were going to fund it eventually except for let's 'borrow some money to invest it" whilst the rest of us would call that debt. Boris is ensuring now that Labour will not get anywhere near power for over a decade.

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23 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

 

Of course he is following the progress of others. We are a month behind China, and about three weeks behind Italy, so it is logical that when you start a plan for the UK the progress of different approaches in other country's  ahead of you might show certain indicators. BTW it's not what Boris is doing, it's what Boris is doing given the advice of his medical advisers.  

Like a lot of people think Boris is doing an admirable job, and this is shown on Twitter and the Independant sites where non Tory's are giving him tremendous support. I think they all realise Corbyn would be promising everything to everyone, knowing that his government would not know how they were going to fund it eventually except for let's 'borrow some money to invest it" whilst the rest of us would call that debt. Boris is ensuring now that Labour will not get anywhere near power for over a decade.

Do you think that Boris is doing a good job and,,, could the country be in 'lock down' by the weekend?

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2 hours ago, HertsRacer said:

Do you have similar stats for Italy where 475 died of the virus today.

No, but I did find an article asking why Italy's death rate from the normal flu far exceeded other European countries.

That was from just before the Covid-19 outbreak.

Interesting link below regarding flu in USA, some figures from it are from around Thanksgiving onwards (28th November)

30-40 million cases
About half needed medical attention
300,000-500,000 required hospitalization

Since start of year, estimated 20,000-40,000 deaths.

136 kids killed, the highest on record in a decade.

The vaccine used this year has been more effective than previous ones.. but still the above figures...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/09/813641072/u-s-flu-season-beginning-to-ease-modelers-say?t=1584575697082

The fact that flu season is beginning to 'ease' is a blessing in that resources can be freed up for Covid-19.. 

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Italy has the oldest population in Europe and their grandkids spend a lot more time with their grandparents than people in most other European countries.. 

Apparently.. 

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The peak period for the flu, in England appears to have been over the Christmas period.

Week ending 26th December:

GP Consultations: 16.00 per 100,000 (approx 8960)
Hospitalisation: 7.14 per 100,000 (approx 3.998)
Intensive Care Admission: 0.40 per 100,000 (approx 224)

Week ending 3rd January:

GP Consultations: 19.4 per 100,000 (approx 10,864)
Hospitalisation: 6.29 per 100,000 (approx 3,522 )
Intensive Care Admission: 0.38 per 100,000 (approx 223)

Week Ending 10th January:

GP Consultations: 16.6 per 100,000 (approx 9,296)
Hospitalisation: 4.42 per 100,000 (approx  2475)
Intensive Care Admission: 0.37 per 100,000 (approx 207)

Week Ending 17th January:

GP Consultations: 14.7 per 100,000 (approx 8,232)
Hospitalisation: 2.43 per 100,000 (approx  1361)
Intensive Care Admission: 0.21 per 100,000 (approx 118)

Week Ending 24th January:

GP Consultations: 10.3 per 100,000 (approx 5768)
Hospitalisation: 1.44 per 100,000 (approx  806.4)
Intensive Care Admission: 0.13 per 100,000 (approx 72.80)


The 'good news' for want of a better expression is that like in the US the peak of the flu season has passed. Had Covid-19 hit during that period resources would have been stretched even further.

Number of deaths associated with influenza in England:

Season    All ages             0-4          5-14        15-64         65+
2014/15 28330 91 13 701 25143
2015/16 11875 84 11 1259 9459
2016/17 18009 77 20 578 15167
2017/18 26408 6 2 1462 22237

 

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2 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

Do you think that Boris is doing a good job and,,, could the country be in 'lock down' by the weekend?

Will be astounded if London isn't.  Absolute joke here. 

So many still going to boozers, restaurants and farting around generally.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Blupanther said:

It isolates positive people from people who have not contracted it. Millions of people are housebound for no good reason, and i'm one of them. Stepson sent home because he had a cough and all of us are under 'house arrest'. He works for the NHS and wasn't tested, if they had tested him there is a good chance he would have been negative and the rest of us would be free to keep the wheels of industry turning ...

So the UK approach, which is the total opposite is wrong ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51955931

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8 hours ago, Blupanther said:

It isolates positive people from people who have not contracted it. Millions of people are housebound for no good reason, and i'm one of them. Stepson sent home because he had a cough and all of us are under 'house arrest'. He works for the NHS and wasn't tested, if they had tested him there is a good chance he would have been negative and the rest of us would be free to keep the wheels of industry turning ...

Where or what field does your stepson work in ? Obviously wouldn't expect specifics

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8 hours ago, Tsunami said:

 

Of course he is following the progress of others. We are a month behind China, and about three weeks behind Italy, so it is logical that when you start a plan for the UK the progress of different approaches in other country's  ahead of you might show certain indicators. BTW it's not what Boris is doing, it's what Boris is doing given the advice of his medical advisers.  

Like a lot of people think Boris is doing an admirable job, and this is shown on Twitter and the Independant sites where non Tory's are giving him tremendous support. I think they all realise Corbyn would be promising everything to everyone, knowing that his government would not know how they were going to fund it eventually except for let's 'borrow some money to invest it" whilst the rest of us would call that debt. Boris is ensuring now that Labour will not get anywhere near power for over a decade.

I'm no fan of Johnson but personally I feel that he is doing what is only the sensible thing based upon advice given.  I'm the first to admit of being sceptical on all manner of things and one can quote all sorts of medical related statistics but at the end of the day we are in very unknown territory and drastic action is required in trying to combat the threat of the potential continual onslaught on a virus that little is known about.

My real hope is that the fear within many, if not most, people's minds as regards job security, business interests etc etc are somehow taken into account with effective Government initiatives in what could take many months in which to come to some sort of conclusion to this very serious problem.

Scary times.

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1 hour ago, The Doctor... said:

Where or what field does your stepson work in ? Obviously wouldn't expect specifics

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3 hours ago, iris123 said:

So the UK approach, which is the total opposite is wrong ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51955931

Dont really think anyone has the answer right now.

Total isolation Chinese style clearly works but when they re-start essentially the problem is still there it has not gone away

Allow everyone to get Infected "herd method" initial UK style so that you end up with vast majority immune from this strain and then have to treat possibly 5% of the population rather than 100% of the population is perfectly logical but nothing logical about persuading 65,000,000 people it's possible 

The answer will lie somewhere in the middle and a vaccine.....but that may only be temporary IF the virus mutataes....

30 years ago HIV was going to end the world according to doom-mongers....only now have they found a genuine vaccine and this coronovirus is far harder to stop transmission of in every day life...

Very worrying times and as each day goes by speedway seems less relevant...be lucky to start 2021 season I think - write 2020 completely off. 

 

 

 

 

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Trying to work out why the Government wouldn't make the testing of all NHS workers an absolute urgent priority.

Could it be they're scared that they will get results they don't want ending up in them losing more of an already overstretched workforce to isolation?:unsure:

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