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22 minutes ago, Vince said:

To be honest apart from that I'm pretty impressed with how things have been done so far.

It seems that the government have actually followed the advice from genuine experts and avoided doing things for popularity on facebook. I suspect though that public pressure is going to change things like the school closures being applied and then I'll be less impressed.

As far as I can see apart from not testing (which seems to be a good thing according to other countries), all they have done is follow what other countries have done days or weeks after. So either the medical advice is the same as other countries (apart from testing) or they really are just following. What I can't really understand is why they don't try to get ahead of it, instead of following behind......

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5 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Strategies to deal with a 1918 style flu pandemic ( which killed millions ) were organised by the Government in 2011. The problem with COPID 19 is that it behaves differently to the flu virus, and nobody fully understands it yet. 

 

Yes, it seems to spread like wildfire by media coverage rather than by physical contact!

 

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1 minute ago, DC2 said:

 

Yes, it seems to spread like wildfire by media coverage rather than by physical contact!

 

Funny you should say that. According to Andrew Neil , as recently as last January the WHO issued a statement saying that the Chinese said there was no evidence of the Coronavirus being transmitted by human to human contact. So maybe the Chinese were right all along..........

 

........or maybe they were telling porkies. 

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9 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Funny you should say that. According to Andrew Neil , as recently as last January the WHO issued a statement saying that the Chinese said there was no evidence of the Coronavirus being transmitted by human to human contact. So maybe the Chinese were right all along..........

 

........or maybe they were telling porkies. 

My guess is...

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14 minutes ago, iris123 said:

As far as I can see apart from not testing (which seems to be a good thing according to other countries), all they have done is follow what other countries have done days or weeks after. So either the medical advice is the same as other countries (apart from testing) or they really are just following. What I can't really understand is why they don't try to get ahead of it, instead of following behind......

That's not how I see it, all along they said they will implement strategies as required rather than all together in an attempt to create a manageable plateau rather than an unmanageable peak or peaks. Obviously the measures are going to be similar to other countries but it's all about the timing of restrictions.

There is no knowing if it will be successful but as yet they have pretty much avoided bowing down to media led public pressure.

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29 minutes ago, Vince said:

That's not how I see it, all along they said they will implement strategies as required rather than all together in an attempt to create a manageable plateau rather than an unmanageable peak or peaks. Obviously the measures are going to be similar to other countries but it's all about the timing of restrictions.

There is no knowing if it will be successful but as yet they have pretty much avoided bowing down to media led public pressure.

You normally come out with some decent stuff, but on this I think you are totally blind to the reality. Look at what other countries are doing/have done and all the UK is doing is following in their footsteps. Again, apart from what others think is very helpful and that is testing as many as possible. Even Trump has gone from almost dismissing the virus to now taking it very seriously and wanting a large amount of tests.....to get that peak down, you have to act fast, rather than follow others lead

Boris just stated 'the disease hasn't yet, responded to our' measures......so even he is admitting, so far not enough or not fast enough action has been implemented...... 

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48 minutes ago, iris123 said:

You normally come out with some decent stuff, but on this I think you are totally blind to the reality. Look at what other countries are doing/have done and all the UK is doing is following in their footsteps. Again, apart from what others think is very helpful and that is testing as many as possible. Even Trump has gone from almost dismissing the virus to now taking it very seriously and wanting a large amount of tests.....to get that peak down, you have to act fast, rather than follow others lead

Boris just stated 'the disease hasn't yet, responded to our' measures......so even he is admitting, so far not enough or not fast enough action has been implemented...... 

The trouble is none of us are medically qualified.

One the face of it, it does seem that the Government are following rather than leading in some respects. Having said that,  the Governments senior advisors , Patrick Valance and Chris Witty, are hands on consultant physicians, each with a formidable reputation, and each each with leading work in research, with Chris Witty in particular being a specialist in epidemics. They both stand beside the Prime Minister in his press conferences so both their reputations are on the line. 

No doubt mistakes have been made. There always are in these situations , but how serious or otherwise they are cannot really be discerned until the dust settles and we look back on it all . There will undoubtedly be a full inquiry in due course and personally I don’t think medically unqualified people such ourselves cannot really make a judgement.

I bet Alex Salmond I’d overjoyed that this is going on though, and keeping his court case off the front page. Dirty old man .!:lol:

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I went to panic buy beer this afternoon and the shelves in Sainsbury's in the alcohol aisle were virtually stripped except for an abundance of Moretti & Corona beer. That typifies how stupid people really are! 

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2 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

The trouble is none of us are medically qualified.

One the face of it, it does seem that the Government are following rather than leading in some respects. Having said that,  the Governments senior advisors , Patrick Valance and Chris Witty, are hands on consultant physicians, each with a formidable reputation, and each each with leading work in research, with Chris Witty in particular being a specialist in epidemics. They both stand beside the Prime Minister in his press conferences so both their reputations are on the line. 

No doubt mistakes have been made. There always are in these situations , but how serious or otherwise they are cannot really be discerned until the dust settles and we look back on it all . There will undoubtedly be a full inquiry in due course and personally I don’t think medically unqualified people such ourselves cannot really make a judgement.

I bet Alex Salmond I’d overjoyed that this is going on though, and keeping his court case off the front page. Dirty old man .!:lol:

While you make a good point, on the other side I haven't seen you make that point to Vince, who is not a medical expert, but continually seems to think the government are making the right decisions........ what is good for the goose, and all that.

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4 minutes ago, AFCB Wildcat said:

I went to panic buy beer this afternoon and the shelves in Sainsbury's in the alcohol aisle were virtually stripped except for an abundance of Moretti & Corona beer. That typifies how stupid people really are! 

I couldn't get any cider, so got the last tray of stella,  but was definitely plenty corona left and I managed to get 4 bottles of premium gin, 'result',,, still no signs of corned beef :neutral:

There was still nearly a full pallet of beans in one store, but the queue was redonculess. 

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1 minute ago, iris123 said:

While you make a good point, on the other side I haven't seen you make that point to Vince, who is not a medical expert, but continually seems to think the government are making the right decisions........ what is good for the goose, and all that.

Actually, I made the point several pages back about not being able to make a measured judgement until we have the benefit of hindsight and perhaps a formal inquiry. On a fast moving thread like this I don’t have time read every page. I don’t suppose many people do. The point wasn’t made against you, it was just an observation.

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6 minutes ago, iris123 said:

While you make a good point, on the other side I haven't seen you make that point to Vince, who is not a medical expert, but continually seems to think the government are making the right decisions........ what is good for the goose, and all that.

At the end of the day I've said repeatedly that I'm not an expert and none of us really know how it will pan out.

My opinion however is that so far the government has been acting on advice from well respected experts rather than media pressure. I think that is a good thing and it takes no medical expertise to form that opinion or disagree with it!

It was interesting to listen to Johnson's news conference and watch the news immediately afterwards. If you didn't see the conference you could draw a lot of untrue conclusions from the news reports.

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2 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Actually, I made the point several pages back about not being able to make a measured judgement until we have the benefit of hindsight and perhaps a formal inquiry. On a fast moving thread like this I don’t have time read every page. I don’t suppose many people do. The point wasn’t made against you, it was just an observation.

Fair enough. But Johnson's own words seem to confirm they haven't got on top of the problem and some of the stated opinions supposedly from the NHS including open air packed football stadiums being less of a problem that a church hall meeting make me wonder just what some 'medical experts' are on......

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28 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

I couldn't get any cider, so got the last tray of stella,  but was definitely plenty corona left and I managed to get 4 bottles of premium gin, 'result',,, still no signs of corned beef :neutral:

There was still nearly a full pallet of beans in one store, but the queue was redonculess. 

I had the last case of Cornish Rattler Cider then had to go for the contaminated Moretti.

This is getting serious now. The toilet roll situation is one thing, at least there's the option to soil yourself but no Cider!!! Nearly time to take to the streets I think :o

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Flu killed about 200 Americans per day during last year's flu season. 34,200 deaths in total.

I believe that television news now has the capability to make many people hysterical about any topic they want to create hysteria over.

 

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