mikebv 10,240 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Pawlicki, KK, Kolodzei, Hampel, and Protasiewicz have all been good enough to qualify for the GP's, with several winning GP's so shows just how strong the Polish system is to bring this many through to the top table. . GB would have loved to have had that level of rider (who may be 'club and journey men' now) over the years.. As would every other country in the world.. And of those five (as well as a few other 'club and journey men' listed) some would still be very worthy, and some at least challenging, for a top 3 place in many of the Premiership teams over here.. With Musielak to add to that from Div 2 and Miesiac too, who has become a genuine heat leader in Polands top league in the past two years.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: Pawlicki, KK, Kolodzei, Hampel, and Protasiewicz have all been good enough to qualify for the GP's, with several winning GP's so shows just how strong the Polish system is to bring this many through to the top table. . GB would have loved to have had that level of rider (who may be 'club and journey men' now) over the years.. As would every other country in the world.. And of those five (as well as a few other 'club and journey men' listed) some would still be very worthy, and some at least challenging, for a top 3 place in many of the Premiership teams over here.. With Musielak to add to that from Div 2 and Miesiac too, who has become a genuine heat leader in Polands top league in the past two years.. I'd say only Hampel and KK have been genuinely world class out of that lot so far Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,240 Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, iainb said: Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners To be fair, you could say that about most Sport's that have a "best league in the world" moniker attached to them, as it attracts, by definition, all the best overseas competitors.. The IPL in Cricket has many 'foreign superstars', The RFU Premiership has many 'foreign superstars' and the Premier League in Football has many of the teams where 'foreign superstars' outshine their domestic counterparts. . Considering it's 4/7ths Poland v 3/7ths The Rest of The World in a lot of the teams (we'll ignore Norway and Russian Poles), they don't do too bad.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted June 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: To be fair, you could say that about most Sport's that have a "best league in the world" moniker attached to them, as it attracts, by definition, all the best overseas competitors.. The IPL in Cricket has many 'foreign superstars', The RFU Premiership has many 'foreign superstars' and the Premier League in Football has many of the teams where 'foreign superstars' outshine their domestic counterparts. . Considering it's 4/7ths Poland v 3/7ths The Rest of The World in a lot of the teams (we'll ignore Norway and Russian Poles), they don't do too bad.. True... I just don't buy that the quality of rider the Polish system produces is anything special. Undoubtedly they've nailed the way to run a successful league. I just think they produce quantity rather than quality when it comes to riders. Just my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,333 Posted June 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, iainb said: Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners Fair enough, but the Stats show different over the last few seasons if you go by results.If the Gp qualifiers didn’t have limits on Nations entries I think it would show how many are better than the young riders from some of the other Nations than You think IMO .Ekstraliga is very strong and the majority of the Young Poles are on the Pace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Fair enough, but the Stats show different over the last few seasons if you go by results.If the Gp qualifiers didn’t have limits on Nations entries I think it would show how many are better than the young riders from some of the other Nations than You think IMO .Ekstraliga is very strong and the majority of the Young Poles are on the Pace. Yes, they're on the pace on their own tracks. I suppose it depends on what format you compare... Clearly the Russians have the best 2/3 man team, the poles probably the best 4/5 man team and I'd say the Danes would have the best 7/8 man team... All of the above on a neutral track of course Edited June 16, 2020 by iainb 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,333 Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, iainb said: Yes, they're on the pace on their own tracks. I suppose it depends on what format you compare... Clearly the Russians have the best 2/3 man team, the poles probably the best 4/5 man team and I'd say the Danes would have the best 7/8 man team... All of the above on a neutral track of course The Poles are better the the Danes at 7/8 teams at any track IMO.The Russians are Speedway of Nation Champs but they certainly are not Clearly better than the Rest.GB and Poles are up there with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,712 Posted June 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, iainb said: Yes, they're on the pace on their own tracks. I suppose it depends on what format you compare... Clearly the Russians have the best 2/3 man team, the poles probably the best 4/5 man team and I'd say the Danes would have the best 7/8 man team... All of the above on a neutral track of course I would match Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek, Drabik, Piotr Pawlicki, Kolodziej and Smektala and Kasprzak/Przedpelski against Madsen, MJJ,Pedersen, Thomsen, NKI, Bjerre, Michelsen and Lyager any day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted June 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The Russians are Speedway of Nation Champs but they certainly are not Clearly better than the Rest.GB and Poles are up there with them. They just keep winning it 3 minutes ago, racers and royals said: I would match Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek, Drabik, Piotr Pawlicki, Kolodziej and Smektala and Kasprzak/Przedpelski against Madsen, MJJ,Pedersen, Thomsen, NKI, Bjerre, Michelsen and Lyager any day There's a lot of hot or miss merchants in that polish team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,712 Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, iainb said: They just keep winning it There's a lot of hot or miss merchants in that polish team Less than the " hot or miss " Danes in their team. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,333 Posted June 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, racers and royals said: I would match Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek, Drabik, Piotr Pawlicki, Kolodziej and Smektala and Kasprzak/Przedpelski against Madsen, MJJ,Pedersen, Thomsen, NKI, Bjerre, Michelsen and Lyager any day Agree ,that’s no contest IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted June 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Agree ,that’s no contest IMO. Poland streets ahead . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,333 Posted June 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Najjer said: Batchelor declared in Rybnik’s team then.... interesting! All very quiet,he was obviously “not fit” last week and undergoing intensive training for this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: I would match Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek, Drabik, Piotr Pawlicki, Kolodziej and Smektala and Kasprzak/Przedpelski against Madsen, MJJ,Pedersen, Thomsen, NKI, Bjerre, Michelsen and Lyager any day Madsen, N Pedersen, NKI, Kildermand, K Bjerre, Michelsen, Hans Andersen, Thomsen, MJJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,712 Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, iainb said: Madsen, N Pedersen, NKI, Kildermand, K Bjerre, Michelsen, Hans Andersen, Thomsen, MJJ Hans Andersen !!!!- you didn`t say it was 10 years ago 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
