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13 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

For the record, does anyone think Mark Loram wasn't a deserving World Champion? 

No.   A rider can only win under the set of rules for that year. 

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9 minutes ago, Mark said:

No.   A rider can only win under the set of rules for that year. 

Some people need to remember that for this year...

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13 hours ago, Pinny said:

Of course he deserved it. He was the best rider over the course of the series. And was pretty damn good in the leagues that season as well

Exactly.  Something that annoys me a bit is '2nd is the first of the losers' no it isn't, it means a person did very well and that only one other person was better.  Cups & medals are traditionally awarded down to 3rd place, so it could be argued that 4th be considererd the first of the losers; ask the 4th finisher if they'd like to swap with 2nd.  In to win it, do your level best sure; someone will be 1st, someone else last & the rest in between somewhere.  When finishing 2nd or 3rd enjoy the moment as it means you were not far away from 1st, not everyone can win....

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1 hour ago, Mark said:

No.   A rider can only win under the set of rules for that year. 

 

57 minutes ago, chunky said:

Some people need to remember that for this year...

That is exactly my point. The moaning regarding Lindgren is ridiculous. The rider's know the rules & if they're willing to put it all on the line in the qualifying heats & flop under pressure that's not Lindgren's fault. 

I'd love Woffy to win it again but I can't see it but I wouldn't mind Lindgren doing it. He knows how to be consistent. 

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8 hours ago, Dave Jones said:

I firmly believe that decision by Frank Ebdon was more to do with ensuring Nielsen didn't win the title that year..

That wouldn't surprise me!

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2 hours ago, steve roberts said:

That wouldn't surprise me!

You WOULD say that, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

Well, speedway was supposedly "rotten to the core", wasn't it?

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Winners & Losers after Round 5:

  1 2 3 4 5 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff
Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 76 79 3 4% 1 1 0
Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 61 78 17 28% 3 2 1
Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 62 71 9 15% 2 3 -1
Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 59 62 3 5% 4 4 0
Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 56 59 3 5% 5 5 0
Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 56 55 -1 -2% 5 6 -1
Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 49 53 4 8% 8 7 1
Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 53 51 -2 -4% 7 8 -1
Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 47 50 3 6% 9 9 0
Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 30 32 2 7% 10 10 0
Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 27 30 3 11% 12 11 1
Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 28 28 0 0% 11 12 -1
Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 26 24 -2 -8% 13 13 0
Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 23 23 0 0% 14 14 0
Gleb Chugunov 6 8       14 16 2 14% 15 15 0
Anders Thomsen         4             6   10 10 0 0% 16 16 0
Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 9 8 -1 -11% 17 17 0
Vaclav Milik         0 0 1 1 100% 18 18 0

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37 minutes ago, iainb said:

Winners & Losers after Round 5:

  1 2 3 4 5 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff
Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 76 79 3 4% 1 1 0
Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 61 78 17 28% 3 2 1
Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 62 71 9 15% 2 3 -1
Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 59 62 3 5% 4 4 0
Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 56 59 3 5% 5 5 0
Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 56 55 -1 -2% 5 6 -1
Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 49 53 4 8% 8 7 1
Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 53 51 -2 -4% 7 8 -1
Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 47 50 3 6% 9 9 0
Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 30 32 2 7% 10 10 0
Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 27 30 3 11% 12 11 1
Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 28 28 0 0% 11 12 -1
Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 26 24 -2 -8% 13 13 0
Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 23 23 0 0% 14 14 0
Gleb Chugunov 6 8       14 16 2 14% 15 15 0
Anders Thomsen         4             6   10 10 0 0% 16 16 0
Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 9 8 -1 -11% 17 17 0
Vaclav Milik         0 0 1 1 100% 18 18 0

Under the old system there wouldn’t be a tie for 5th place, the two riders would be ranked in some way, by GP starting number IIRC

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Winners & Losers after round 6:

  1 2 3 4 5 6 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff
Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 19 95 99 4 4% 1 1 0
Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 15 76 92 16 21% 3 2 1
Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 16 78 89 11 14% 2 3 -1
Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 10 69 71 2 3% 4 4 0
Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 9 65 70 5 8% 5 5 0
Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 12 61 69 8 13% 8 6 2
Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 11 64 63 -1 -2% 6 7 -1
Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 6 62 60 -2 -3% 7 8 -1
Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 7 54 60 6 11% 9 8 1
Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 7 37 40 3 8% 10 10 0
Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 7 34 37 3 9% 11 11 0
Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 3 31 30 -1 -3% 12 12 0
Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 6 29 29 0 0% 13 13 0
Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 3 29 27 -2 -7% 13 14 -1
Gleb Chugunov 6 8         14 16 2 14% 15 15 0
Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 5 14 12 -2 -14% 15 16 -1
Anders Thomsen     4 6     10 10 0 0% 17 17 0
Vaclav Milik         0 2 2 1 -1 -50% 18 18 0
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Winners & Losers after round 7:

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff
Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 19 12 107 113 6 6% 1 1 0
Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 16 13 91 105 14 15% 2 2 0
Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 15 11 87 103 16 18% 3 3 0
Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 10 16 85 89 4 5% 4 4 0
Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 9 9 74 79 5 7% 5 5 0
Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 12 9 70 76 6 9% 8 6 2
Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 11 10 74 73 -1 -1% 5 7 -2
Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 7 11 65 72 7 11% 9 8 1
Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 6 9 71 68 -3 -4% 7 9 -2
Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 7 16 53 60 7 13% 10 10 0
Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 7 8 42 43 1 2% 11 11 0
Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 6 5 34 33 -1 -3% 12 12 0
Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 3 0 31 31 0 0% 13 13 0
Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 3 2 31 30 -1 -3% 13 14 -1
Gleb Chugunov 6 8           14 16 2 14% 16 15 1
Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 5 1 15 14 -1 -7% 15 16 -1
Anders Thomsen     4 6       10 10 0 0% 17 17 0
Jack Holder             6 6 5 -1 -17% 18 18 0
Vaclav Milik         0 2   2 1 -1 -50% 19 19 0

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If the top 6 stays the same after tomorrow`s final round we would have

Zmarzlik

Woffinden

lindgren

Janowski

Madsen

Doyle 

then we have

Lambert 

Zagar

Berntzon

Kasprzak

so that leaves 5 choices

Vaculik

Sayfutdinov

A Laguta

Fricke

and who ??- out will be lindback, Smolinski(Michelsen) and Dudek and NKI ??

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If Woofy wins tomorrow and Zmarzlik finishes 3rd in his S/F, they will either be tied on points or Woofy wins by 1 point. Depends on which S/F Zmarzlik is in.

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13 minutes ago, Gambo said:

If Woofy wins tomorrow and Zmarzlik finishes 3rd in his S/F, they will either be tied on points or Woofy wins by 1 point. Depends on which S/F Zmarzlik is in.

Or if Woofy finishes 2nd and Zmarzlik finishes 4th in his S/F the same scenario would occur- 18 to 10 or 9

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20 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

If the top 6 stays the same after tomorrow`s final round we would have

Zmarzlik

Woffinden

lindgren

Janowski

Madsen

Doyle 

then we have

Lambert 

Zagar

Berntzon

Kasprzak

so that leaves 5 choices

Vaculik

Sayfutdinov

A Laguta

Fricke

and who ??- out will be lindback, Smolinski(Michelsen) and Dudek and NKI ??

CASE can be made for Smolinski who has missed this season through injury. Not much chance of Dudek with three Poles already in. Two Swedes so Lindback out, NKI's SGP career has run its course. 

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Just now, PHILIPRISING said:

CASE can be made for Smolinski who has missed this season through injury. Not much chance of Dudek with three Poles already in. Two Swedes so Lindback out, NKI's SGP career has run its course. 

Surely not a very good case ;) he was only in it from the reserve list( Hancock retired)

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