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3 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Some rather strange comments on here..... transferring blame to “The Government” As though it would be any different if we had some other bunch in “The Government” ?? 

 

 

 

Of course it is the government at least mainly to blame. And look at other countries with other governments to see it can be different

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1 hour ago, E I Addio said:

 


No, it was actually  Hawk 127 that started the ball rolling by say bangers and stock cars could run because they are classed as amateur sport. He then said you couldn’t make it up but he obviously did because it appears not to have been true. Then Bandit 59 seemed to have r believed it’s done you jumped on the band wagon by saying it was the Government

The guidelines are indeed a little complicated to the layman and we may or may not agree with them but make something up and then politicise it on a sports thread is both misleading and out of order.

 

 

 

At no stage have I made anything up on this thread to politicise. It was another poster who suggested stock cars were allowed to run due to it being an amateur sport. It is my opinion that it is wrong for stock car racing to be allowed to run with fans when speedway is not afforded the same luxury. It is also my opinion that it is entirely the governments decision on when all parts of society reopen and that they will base those decisions on what they can gain from each individual case. Not sure what exactly in anything I have posted you could possibly have deemed out of order.  

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Isn't the issue simply the viability of running the sport rather than any 'status' of it in the Govt eyes?

All sports could have ran when football started but many simply couldn't do it with empty stadiums due to the huge financial cost of doing so..

Rugby League, Union, Cricket etc all decided not to start their leagues due to cost, hence postponed their start dates to see if crowds could be allowed in with a later start date..

Speedway also has a massive barrier to it of using someone else's property in many cases, which therefore can mean a positive test at 'the Speedway' by a steward for example, possibly impacting the core business of the landlord, (who rely mainly on greyhound racing).

Therefore this would need a huge amount of faith being shown by any of the owners..

Add in the operating and business plan, which has always been unfit for purpose, of 'sharing employees' domestically and internationally, and logistically you can see why it's been pretty much a non starter to cram in meetings with riders who may need to be in four places at once..

The positive is that there may now be a 'reset' of the way they run the sport, to ensure any further impacts are lessened.

A wake up call that starts with a clear focus on UK riders, meaning no dependency on rules implemented by overseas Govts, and Speedway bodies which may hinder your own business..

There may also be a reset around rider costs, as 30k of unusable kit sat in a workshop for a year, is a hell of a lot worse than having 5k of unusable kit gathering dust..

And lastly, as many promotions continually tell us that they lose "significant sums", at least this year they wont, so maybe they could invest something more into re launching and marketing a 'brand new' reset sport next year?

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2 hours ago, E I Addio said:

I’ve just looked at the Governments guidelines but as far as I can see it doesn’t draw a distinction between professional and amateur sport. As far as I can see the guidelines are all about crowds and social distancing . Even the British Speedway website talks about October being the target date for crowds, not because it is an a professional sport. I looked at the Ipswich Stock Car website and that says advance tickets only so obviously social distancing is relevant there.

I might have missed something so can you give us a link to where it says amateur sport is allowed but not professional.

I can only assume that speedway classes itself as an elite sport and therefore is following these guidelines:

Elite sport - return to competition: safe return of spectators

Pilots announced for return of spectators to elite sports events

Compared to much more relaxed rules for general outdoor activities.

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There's nothing to stop speedway from running now the same as there's nothing stopping other motorsports from running.

The BSPA have made the decision that they can't run without crowds. In deciding that, they are in line with sports such as Rugby. On the other hand, Football and F1 have decided to run without crowds. The environment that we live in is what it is, and the guidelines for running a sport are the same for all professional sports. How the governing bodies of each sport react to it is something that they have to answer for.  Of course there will be people who know better, and can make better decisions. Internet Forums are full of them. There may even be vacancies at the BSPA in the coming months that these wise people can apply for...then no doubt the fortunes of the sport will inevitably flourish.

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1 minute ago, emilali said:

At no stage have I made anything up on this thread to politicise. It was another poster who suggested stock cars were allowed to run due to it being an amateur sport. It is my opinion that it is wrong for stock car racing to be allowed to run with fans when speedway is not afforded the same luxury. It is also my opinion that it is entirely the governments decision on when all parts of society reopen and that they will base those decisions on what they can gain from each individual case. Not sure what exactly in anything I have posted you could possibly have deemed out of order.  

If you had prefixed your previous posts with “opinion “ that would have thrown a different perspective on it, but it was, at the time presented as fact.

However be that as it may we are entitled to ask what you base your opinion on. We don’t actually know why Ippo is not running speedway meetings. It might well be that the Ipswich promotion we’re prepared to run but we’re outvoted by the other promotions who didn’t want to, or couldn’t run for whatever reason. They could hardly run a viable league if most of the other tracks wouldn’t run.  Personally I think Old Bob at Herne Bay UK Martin and Mikebv have put forward some very persuasive and cogent arguments.  
 

The big worry is how many fans find other things to do and don’t come back and how many quality riders find other jobs.

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24 minutes ago, uk_martin said:

And would it have made a difference to have voted Labour into power at the last election? Of course it would. Along with free broadband to stream all your speedway for free, you'd have had sparkling new stadiums, free admission, free programmes for all, in fact free everything...innit? You did believe all that, didn't you? That you'd have got free everything by voting for Comrade Corbyn?

The irony of this post knocking socialism and Corbyn specifically when its socialism that has in effect saved millions up and down this country in the last 5 months :unsure:

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1 minute ago, emilali said:

The irony of this post knocking socialism and Corbyn specifically

That'll go without comment from old Addio though

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22 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

If you had prefixed your previous posts with “opinion “ that would have thrown a different perspective on it, but it was, at the time presented as fact.

However be that as it may we are entitled to ask what you base your opinion on. We don’t actually know why Ippo is not running speedway meetings. It might well be that the Ipswich promotion we’re prepared to run but we’re outvoted by the other promotions who didn’t want to, or couldn’t run for whatever reason. They could hardly run a viable league if most of the other tracks wouldn’t run.  Personally I think Old Bob at Herne Bay UK Martin and Mikebv have put forward some very persuasive and cogent arguments.  
 

The big worry is how many fans find other things to do and don’t come back and how many quality riders find other jobs.

Good god Addio, it's time you took your own advice and stopped pretending your posts are fact, so please make sure you prefix them with "this post is just some old duffers waffling opinion" instead of making out you're a world authority on every subject.

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20 minutes ago, jrs said:

Good god Addio, it's time you took your own advice and stopped pretending your posts are fact, so please make sure you prefix them with "this post is just some old duffers waffling opinion" instead of making out you're a world authority on every subject.

Up, comes the troll again , unable to make a sensible comment on the subject matter resorts to the old grudge he can’t get over.:(

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49 minutes ago, emilali said:

The irony of this post knocking socialism and Corbyn specifically when its socialism that has in effect saved millions up and down this country in the last 5 months :unsure:

Saved millions?

Millions of what?

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30 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Saved millions?

Millions of what?

People from oblivion. 

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Just now, emilali said:

People from oblivion. 

Socialism has saved millions of people from oblivion in the last five months?

You'll have to explain that one.....

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1 minute ago, emilali said:

People from oblivion. 

Look out for business collapses, unemployment, economic depression, and non virus deaths.......government provoked oblivion......I agree. 

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