British final 2020

[Bagpuss 10,750]

6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

A phrase repeated for the last 20 years. We'll be lucky to get 1 or 2 come through & actually be top class. 

This is where the nettle needs to be grasped.....have a pathway for them in our top two leagues by stopping the employment of foreign dross at reserve, and get them abroad racing in foreign tracks on a regular basis. Push them, stretch their ability and talent. They need to be getting out of our third division and pushing on ASAP. 

[iainb 4,962]

21 hours ago, sommelier said:

Bewley would have no chice, hes on polish duty for Wroclaw

A national championship always used to trump a league meeting, no matter what country it was in... wouldn't surprise me if some kind of Rathbone/Holder/Torun arrangement was made between BSPL/Bewley/Wroclaw

[foamfence 2,917]

1 hour ago, iainb said:

A national championship always used to trump a league meeting, no matter what country it was in... wouldn't surprise me if some kind of Rathbone/Holder/Torun arrangement was made between BSPL/Bewley/Wroclaw

The Poles don't seem to make deals, in the past riders have even missed meetings to attend compulsory practice.

[geoff100 1,420]

Reading the " do,s and dont's on the bspa website why would anyone bother going to event!

[Grachan 7,314]

10 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Reading the " do,s and dont's on the bspa website why would anyone bother going to event!

No different to what we are expected to do in normal life these days.

What I don't understand is, though, is why the need for a face covering if you are staying in your group of 6 and you are outdoors?

[Super Blue 616]

To a small degree I could understand face coverings if it was an enclosed Grandstand but it's open air. However with eating, drinking, smoking and vaping I can envisage some people won't be wearing their's very much. 

[Badge 5,115]

21 minutes ago, Grachan said:

No different to what we are expected to do in normal life these days.

What I don't understand is, though, is why the need for a face covering if you are staying in your group of 6 and you are outdoors?

Because that is the policy that has enabled this event to take place. Just remember this is a test event, and will be closely monitored,  and if it's a success you never know we might just get speedway back next season.

The hoops that Ipswich are having to jump through for this is unbelievable so please for the sake of the sport please abide by the rules. 

[sommelier 1,118]

3 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

This is where the nettle needs to be grasped.....have a pathway for them in our top two leagues by stopping the employment of foreign dross at reserve, and get them abroad racing in foreign tracks on a regular basis. Push them, stretch their ability and talent. They need to be getting out of our third division and pushing on ASAP. 

Robert Lambert head hunted by 7 Extraleague Clubs, i hope Chapman as got long arms & deep pockets for him to stay at Lynn. Good luck to Robert

[Fromafar 10,321]

6 minutes ago, sommelier said:

Robert Lambert head hunted by 7 Extraleague Clubs, i hope Chapman as got long arms & deep pockets for him to stay at Lynn. Good luck to Robert

Lambert won’t be riding in GB next year.IMO.

[Daniel Smith 5,645]

3 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

This is where the nettle needs to be grasped.....have a pathway for them in our top two leagues by stopping the employment of foreign dross at reserve, and get them abroad racing in foreign tracks on a regular basis. Push them, stretch their ability and talent. They need to be getting out of our third division and pushing on ASAP. 

To be fair to the BSPA, they had put that pathway in place. We'd had NL rider's at reserve for a few years & lets be brutally honest, it was a flop. The racing was more awful than normal & they even tried protected heats. Again, you could only find 1 or 2 good riders out of 14.

Another fault with our top league is using it for development, that shouldn't be happening. 

Yes there are dross foreigners, but quite frankly, many many Brits are far far worse. 

Just go through the list of Brits in our top league & 2nd tier. 5-10 years ago there was great hope for many & they're now all just also-rans. Many of them too got shots in the Polish 2nd & 3rd tier & couldn't deliver. 

Opportunities are there & arise for our Brits. In fact Poland have been very open to us over the last 10 years, we've just not had anyone of any 'real' talent stand out. We've now got Woffy & Lambert but our next biggest hope was Bewley but he's struggling to make that next step. 

We have a big problem over here of over hyping a rider at National League levels. 

[cinderfella 865]

3 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

This is where the nettle needs to be grasped.....have a pathway for them in our top two leagues by stopping the employment of foreign dross at reserve, and get them abroad racing in foreign tracks on a regular basis. Push them, stretch their ability and talent. They need to be getting out of our third division and pushing on ASAP. 

Isn't that a bit hypocritical expecting our young lads to get race time abroad yet at the same time stopping the 'foreign dross' from riding in our leagues?
Yes I agree we need to find a way of giving our lads more time so perhaps changing the format of league meetings is called for? I would have two young British lads in each team and they get four rides against each other, one from each gate position over 4 heats. OK that would mean increasing team sizes and meeting length but if we went back to the old 13ht formula it would only mean an extra 2 heats.

Changes have to be made if the sport is to move forward.

[cinderfella 865]

9 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Lambert won’t be riding in GB next year.IMO.

So does the BSPA/SCB have to get tough and say if you don't ride in the British League you don't represent your country as has happened in rugby?
Mind you for a handful of World Cup or whatever they want to call it, would riders really care anymore? The sport needs restructured but until an effective governing body is in place that ain't going to happen.

 

Edited September 21, 2020 by cinderfella
Grammatical error

[therefused 815]

11 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

So does the BSPA/SCB have to get tough and say if you don't ride in the British League you don't represent your country as has happened in rugby?
Mind you for a handful of World Cup or whatever they want to call it, would riders really care anymore? The sport needs restructured but until an effective governing body is in place that ain't going to happen.

 

Shooting themselves in the foot then though, i cant see how it would even bother Lambert or Woffinden. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by therefused

[cinderfella 865]

38 minutes ago, therefused said:

Shooting themselves in the foot then though, i cant see how it would even bother Lambert or Woffinden. 

They shot themselves in the foot a long time ago and the lack of suitable treatment will haemorrhage away the sport's demise.

Sadly there are numbers among riders who care little but is that because of how the sport is mismanaged?

Tai certainly hasn't held back with his views in the past and if he and others walk away then it's time woke up and addressed any issues.

[Fromafar 10,321]

53 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

So does the BSPA/SCB have to get tough and say if you don't ride in the British League you don't represent your country as has happened in rugby?
Mind you for a handful of World Cup or whatever they want to call it, would riders really care anymore? The sport needs restructured but until an effective governing body is in place that ain't going to happen.

 

Money is what it is about,the money being offered in Poland is king( whether they receive it is another story).A couple of GB meetings isn’t going to sway things.

GB needs to concentrate on the product on offer here.Forget letting lesser foreign riders Learn their trade here.

Ps

This had been discussed till the cows come home.