Daniel Smith 5,660 Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, NickH114 said: Its a very selfish restriction being introduced by Poland, not only to stop riders riding where they choose, but also on speedway fans in other countries, being deprived of seeing top riders in action. No it's not 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickH114 17 Posted November 5, 2020 So why isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,660 Posted November 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, NickH114 said: So why isn't it? Read my first post on last page Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickH114 17 Posted November 6, 2020 I have, well you were wrong about Jason Doyle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,660 Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, NickH114 said: I have, well you were wrong about Jason Doyle. If Corona os still lingering around the world, Doyle won't be at Swindon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,273 Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: GB need to offer better pay rates which is not possible due to the state of the sport here, no forward thinking in the last 20 years from Promoters here.Silly money and silly rules have driven many fans away so family ties with the sport have been lost and not been able to attract a new younger fan base.When cameras pan the the crowds in Poland they have a very healthy young fan base .The bubble May burst in Poland regarding pay rates but don’t think it will harm the sport in the same way as has happened over here. The huge advantage Poland has is the way TV can, and is willing to, prop it up... Last season showed how important the sport is to the broadcasters own buisness models by the way they wanted the 'show to go on' regardless of the existing challenges... Having the Sports Personality of the Year shows the level of the sport in the wider public's awareness which must therefore help it attract those big national company sponsors wanting to be associated with it.. And when you have broadcasters willing to tender for your product, from an already high base, then you are very much in demand, and your continued success then becomes fundamental to the continued success of the broadcasters too... Similar too, but on a much small scale obviously, in the way Sky and the Premier League in football over here both mutually benefit from each other.. Both the Polish top league and the broadcasters know that keeping their 'product' at a certain level, and in the minds of the populace, is the only way to keep moving it forward, and given the size of the prize, (and the dire consequences of not doing it), will, quite naturally, ensure that absolutely anything and everything is done to protect both the product, and the very large investment, both emotional and financial, that so many in Poland make in following and broadcasting the sport.. Edited November 6, 2020 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted November 6, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 1:31 PM, Najjer said: Admittedly his options were very limited in the Polish Extraleague and it doesn't have a direct impact on British Speedway, but Michael Jepsen Jensen is the first rider to say he will drop down to the Polish 1st Division so that he can then ride in Denmark and Sweden. I'm not privvy to know what sort of money is being paid in Sweden, but I would assume it would be a straight shootout between Britain and Sweden for the likes of Holder and Lidsey. yes agree the uk may have more meetings than sweden . but how does the money work out in comparison .plus the fact will covid stop us having a full season in the uk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,889 Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, ray c said: yes agree the uk may have more meetings than sweden . but how does the money work out in comparison .plus the fact will covid stop us having a full season in the uk The thing in Britain’s favour for riders like Doyle is that they like to be racing lots. Doyle might be willing to take a financial hit on his league income by choosing Britain over Sweden in a bid to get back to the top of the Grand Prix standings by riding regularly throughout the week. Seen as he is based in the UK, cutting down on travel to and from Sweden might make sense for him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted November 6, 2020 14 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: If Corona os still lingering around the world, Doyle won't be at Swindon Doyle's quoted statement in the local paper, "if British speedway starts in spring he will ride " suggests if Sweden starts first he will ride there instead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted November 7, 2020 16 hours ago, MARK246 said: Doyle's quoted statement in the local paper, "if British speedway starts in spring he will ride " suggests if Sweden starts first he will ride there instead WOULD not be my interpretation ... there are many reasons why Jason would put England ahead of Sweden as long as there was racing here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,006 Posted November 7, 2020 As is always the case the power sits with the riders, if they choose to use it collectively. Poland seem to try something like this every year but always have to bow to the strength of the riders, they maybe able to make the rule attractive for the big polish hitters like Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek etc. But as we've seen this last season if your face doesn't fit for whatever reason you're very quickly thrown on the scrap heap, Batch, Bewley, KK, Kurtz etc. Can't see the riders of this class signing up to these rules unless they're guaranteed a fixed income retainer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HGould 2,213 Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: As is always the case the power sits with the riders, if they choose to use it collectively. Poland seem to try something like this every year but always have to bow to the strength of the riders, they maybe able to make the rule attractive for the big polish hitters like Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek etc. But as we've seen this last season if your face doesn't fit for whatever reason you're very quickly thrown on the scrap heap, Batch, Bewley, KK, Kurtz etc. Can't see the riders of this class signing up to these rules unless they're guaranteed a fixed income retainer Totally agree. Pay rates in D1 and D2 (the tiers below) are a fraction of Extraleague (Top Tier) and chronic history of late and non payment. So do you have 4-5 rides a week in Polish D2 or probably 20 rides a week if doubling up UK and riding in Sweden or Denmark? Those in D1/D2 in Poland - especially D2 in Poland may be better off and certainly get more meetings and rides by doubling up in UK and riding in Sweden and likely get paid too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,723 Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, HGould said: Totally agree. Pay rates in D1 and D2 (the tiers below) are a fraction of Extraleague (Top Tier) and chronic history of late and non payment. So do you have 4-5 rides a week in Polish D2 or probably 20 rides a week if doubling up UK and riding in Sweden or Denmark? Those in D1/D2 in Poland - especially D2 in Poland may be better off and certainly get more meetings and rides by doubling up in UK and riding in Sweden and likely get paid too. Seeing that the rule is only an Extraleague rule and doesn`t effect the Polish Div 1 and 2 - not sure what your point is ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted November 8, 2020 Why did the Polish Extraleague step back from this ruling previously? Was it rider pressure? Was it pressure from FIM? Or was it a realisation that it wouldn't help speedway worldwide ie its no good being so strong that you continually win everything in sight to the detriment of other country's leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,889 Posted November 8, 2020 This will tip some of you over the edge - they’ve actually said that the current new ruling is 2 leagues including the Polish league, but the eventual plan within a few years will be to reduce that solely to competing in the Polish league and Grand Prix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites