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3 hours ago, mikebv said:

Great to see all the Polish interference in helping develop some of our youngest and best talent, with several lads being given contracts....

And recognition too for the work put in by those leading the development of those lads over here..

Can only be good for British Speedway for these lads to develop within the biggest Speedway nation, and get to experience what it's like to perform under true pressure every week like their Polish peer group sample from such an early age..

Let's hope Poland's interference stretches to a few more team spaces being made available...

 

Couldn’t agree more. That is now Dan Bewley, Anders Rowe, Drew Kemp, Jack Thomas, Tom Brennan and Leon Flint from the U21s this year, all with contracts in Poland for next year - plus obviously Robert Lambert and Tai Woffinden. That can only be good news for British Speedway even if they don’t feature in regular league matches.

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17 hours ago, mikebv said:

Great to see all the Polish interference in helping develop some of our youngest and best talent, with several lads being given contracts....

Great... unless they're treated like Batch, Kurtz, KK and to a lesser extent Bewley

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27 minutes ago, iainb said:

Great... unless they're treated like Batch, Kurtz, KK and to a lesser extent Bewley

How was Kurtz, KK and even Bewley treated badly? They were all dropped for poor form.

Batchelor seems to have been treated badly at Rybnik, but even then was pretty poor himself on the few times he rode for them. He was then loaned out and was again dropped by Bydgoszcz because he was in poor form. No different treatment than you’d except from teams over here and in any other sport for that matter. Let’s not try and make this out to be something it’s not :nono:

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38 minutes ago, iainb said:

Great... unless they're treated like Batch, Kurtz, KK and to a lesser extent Bewley

It's a tough, unforgiving environment, without any sentiment, of that there is no doubt..

And no doubt also one that has seen countless Polish lads getting the same treatment too..

As opposite as could be when you compare the comfort zone and safety net that often gets provided over here..

Have a bad meeting (or even one ride!) in Poland and you face getting dropped from the next match, have two and you face getting replaced permanently...

Have a bad meeting in the UK and not only are you pretty much bomb proof, but you could have a couple of guest bookings lined up already that week to let you forget that night, earn a few quid, and do it without any real pressure given its not your own team you are riding for...

'Proper Leagues' exist in Poland where fans and owners expect their team to perform in every race and are very quick to show both their displeasure or euphoria depending on the outcome...

Truly sink or swim...

A great experience for those good enough to 'swim', who will benefit for probably the whole of their careers from it..

And an eye opening experience for those who may find that they are not at the required level, and that beating their domestic peers regularly isn't a true barometer of what 'true' level they actually are at..

But also an experience that will clearly show how much they will need to improve to try again if they are resilient enough to do so..

Let's hope our lads benefit from the experience as it can only be good long term for UK Speedway to have a squad of performers who are all at the top level of the Sport..

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14 hours ago, Najjer said:

Couldn’t agree more. That is now Dan Bewley, Anders Rowe, Drew Kemp, Jack Thomas, Tom Brennan and Leon Flint from the U21s this year, all with contracts in Poland for next year - plus obviously Robert Lambert and Tai Woffinden. That can only be good news for British Speedway even if they don’t feature in regular league matches.

Contracts mean nothing to the Poles,as seen in the past.

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17 minutes ago, mikebv said:

It's a tough, unforgiving environment, without any sentiment, of that there is no doubt..

And no doubt also one that has seen countless Polish lads getting the same treatment too..

As opposite as could be when you compare the comfort zone and safety net that often gets provided over here..

Have a bad meeting (or even one ride!) in Poland and you face getting dropped from the next match, have two and you face getting replaced permanently...

Have a bad meeting in the UK and not only are you pretty much bomb proof, but you could have a couple of guest bookings lined up already that week to let you forget that night, earn a few quid, and do it without any real pressure given its not your own team you are riding for...

'Proper Leagues' exist in Poland where fans and owners expect their team to perform in every race and are very quick to show both their displeasure or euphoria depending on the outcome...

Truly sink or swim...

A great experience for those good enough to 'swim', who will benefit for probably the whole of their careers from it..

And an eye opening experience for those who may find that they are not at the required level, and that beating their domestic peers regularly isn't a true barometer of what 'true' level they actually are at..

But also an experience that will clearly show how much they will need to improve to try again if they are resilient enough to do so..

Let's hope our lads benefit from the experience as it can only be good long term for UK Speedway to have a squad of performers who are all at the top level of the Sport..

I fail to see how that could be good for the development of our young British talent.It hasn't really helped some other riders from GB in the past.

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1 hour ago, Najjer said:

How was Kurtz, KK and even Bewley treated badly? They were all dropped for poor form.

Batchelor seems to have been treated badly at Rybnik, but even then was pretty poor himself on the few times he rode for them. He was then loaned out and was again dropped by Bydgoszcz because he was in poor form. No different treatment than you’d except from teams over here and in any other sport for that matter. Let’s not try and make this out to be something it’s not :nono:

1 ride, 1 last place, that's it no more rides... see you next week, same again a couple of times, see you at the end of the season when we're struggling for riders. That's no way to bring on British youth. In the UK you are guaranteed 3 rides in a match and it's very very rare that a rider wouldn't be given at least a month to prove themselves due to average restrictions

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1 hour ago, mikebv said:

It's a tough, unforgiving environment, without any sentiment, of that there is no doubt..

And no doubt also one that has seen countless Polish lads getting the same treatment too..

As opposite as could be when you compare the comfort zone and safety net that often gets provided over here..

Have a bad meeting (or even one ride!) in Poland and you face getting dropped from the next match, have two and you face getting replaced permanently...

Have a bad meeting in the UK and not only are you pretty much bomb proof, but you could have a couple of guest bookings lined up already that week to let you forget that night, earn a few quid, and do it without any real pressure given its not your own team you are riding for...

'Proper Leagues' exist in Poland where fans and owners expect their team to perform in every race and are very quick to show both their displeasure or euphoria depending on the outcome...

Truly sink or swim...

A great experience for those good enough to 'swim', who will benefit for probably the whole of their careers from it..

And an eye opening experience for those who may find that they are not at the required level, and that beating their domestic peers regularly isn't a true barometer of what 'true' level they actually are at..

But also an experience that will clearly show how much they will need to improve to try again if they are resilient enough to do so..

Let's hope our lads benefit from the experience as it can only be good long term for UK Speedway to have a squad of performers who are all at the top level of the Sport..

Lee Richardson would never have made it if he'd been Polish, he was absolutely rubbish in his first couple of years riding Speedway, could hardly score a point, was persevered with in this country and went on to become an exceptional rider

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I would think that Polish speedway doesn't have the remotest interest in really developing any riders, to world class status, other than their own.

On the other hand they may well be totally dedicated to ensuring that international speedway continues to blossom and will work hand in glove with the FIM and all the other domestic speedway authorities to make sure individual and team world champions come from any involved country.

As they say time will tell.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Clemens said:

 

 

I would think that Polish speedway doesn't have the remotest interest in really developing any riders, to world class status, other than their own.

On the other hand they may well be totally dedicated to ensuring that international speedway continues to blossom and will work hand in glove with the FIM and all the other domestic speedway authorities to make sure individual and team world champions come from any involved country.

As they say time will tell.

 

 

 

 

 

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The Russians in particular have benefited from the opportunities given to them by riding in the Polish leagues at a young age..

I am pretty sure if they had stayed exclusively riding in Russia they wouldn't be at the level several of them are today, with more U21 riders coming through following the same pathway.. 

Whether our lads are good enough to climb up through their leagues to the top level we will see, however just to have the chance to do so and prove yourself regularly against the best of your peers has to be a good thing...

Augment that with some team place 'protection' for them in the UK and we could truly have some mid to long term development plans for these lads..

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57 minutes ago, mikebv said:

however just to have the chance to do so and prove yourself regularly against the best of your peers has to be a good thing...

This is exactly the point though, unless you are regularly scoring the points or Polish  you won't regularly be in the team

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54 minutes ago, iainb said:

This is exactly the point though, unless you are regularly scoring the points or Polish  you won't regularly be in the team

The huge difference is, Polish teams have training and practice throughout the week. They regularly ride against eachother and have more than enough chances to prove themselves there. There is no sentiment though if you simply aren’t good enough.

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30 minutes ago, Najjer said:

The huge difference is, Polish teams have training and practice throughout the week. They regularly ride against eachother and have more than enough chances to prove themselves there. There is no sentiment though if you simply aren’t good enough.

We have training facilities in this country, I can always hear the bikes going round Leicester... even this summer. The point that has been raised here is that Poland will be good for the development our "youngest and best talent". The reality is they'll need to outlay thousands in equipment, totally commit themselves to putting Poland first and then not be given the opportunity to ride if they run a last place, they'd be far better off in the UK getting track time imo. It's only when they are nearing the top of the UK averages that they should even be thinking about Poland

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48 minutes ago, iainb said:

We have training facilities in this country, I can always hear the bikes going round Leicester... even this summer. The point that has been raised here is that Poland will be good for the development our "youngest and best talent". The reality is they'll need to outlay thousands in equipment, totally commit themselves to putting Poland first and then not be given the opportunity to ride if they run a last place, they'd be far better off in the UK getting track time imo. It's only when they are nearing the top of the UK averages that they should even be thinking about Poland

You are so wrong in my view. Having the odd spin on your own at Leicester is alright for blowing away the cobwebs or the odd training school with Wayne Carter at Scunthorpe but that isn’t going to turn you into a quality rider. Diving in feet first in Poland where you are coached by a large group of knowledgable and experienced people, with quality riders, learning all about set ups and the fastest tracks will however give you every chance of becoming quality - not to mention additional invaluable experience. Sticking to the comforts of their current surroundings over here will just result in them turning into a Josh Auty or Lewis Bridger.

Anders Rowe has been taken on under Leszno’s wings, Jack Thomas and Tom Brennan at Łódź with Adam Skornicki’s guidance, Drew Kemp at Gdansk a team with huge ambition, that’s before even mentioning Dan Bewley at Wroclaw who we saw benefitted huge at the end of this season with Tai Woffinden in his corner.

Its a massive opportunity for these riders and fair shout to them for taking the leap. It’s down to them now to make the most of it.

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