IronScorpion 1,407 Posted November 8, 2020 It has been said that the promoters have been having Zoom time meetings during the covid19 situation so I would surmise that all would have had some input in these discussions. http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.38468 Have some of you actually read the statement? It says that there could be team changes! We know Leicester COULD be making a change because of the situation with Perks sponsors. It also says it is his OPINION so not a rule or regulation. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,360 Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: It has been said that the promoters have been having Zoom time meetings during the covid19 situation so I would surmise that all would have had some input in these discussions. http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.38468 Have some of you actually read the statement? It says that there could be team changes! We know Leicester COULD be making a change because of the situation with Perks sponsors. It also says it is his OPINION so not a rule or regulation. If it was MY opinion you could knock it all you want ,but when the people like Godfrey give these kind of thoughts it doesn’t give much hope for thE Sport. Edited November 8, 2020 by Fromafar 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish McRaker 601 Posted November 8, 2020 23 hours ago, enotian said: Wayne Carter.... Rob Hollingworth still got it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leicester Hunter 381 Posted November 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Fromafar said: They may ,but they can’t make teams sign riders they can’t agree Terms with. Yep, It was a situation like such as this that finally saw the demise of Rider Control at the end of 1976. This lot clearly don't do history... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teromaafan 586 Posted November 8, 2020 Ah...Rider Control. I was only a school boy at the time, but couldn't get my head around Dave Jessup (who would go on to be a whisker away from being world champion) going to Reading from Leicester, with Reidar Eide joining the Lions (from Newport?) for the 1976 season. I understood that this was associated with Rider Control. I don't know what the respective averages were, but even as a kid I thought we had been shafted. 1976 turned out to be most disastrous season I can remember for the Lions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leicester Hunter 381 Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Teromaafan said: Ah...Rider Control. I was only a school boy at the time, but couldn't get my head around Dave Jessup (who would go on to be a whisker away from being world champion) going to Reading from Leicester, with Reidar Eide joining the Lions (from Newport?) for the 1976 season. I understood that this was associated with Rider Control. I don't know what the respective averages were, but even as a kid I thought we had been shafted. 1976 turned out to be most disastrous season I can remember for the Lions. Yes, I was at school at the time as well. Dave Jessup wasn't subject to Rider Control IIRC, his move was a straight commercial transaction between two Reg Fearman promoted tracks, and DJ moved to Reading as a replacement for Anders Michanek who wasn't returning in '76. Leicester were allocated Reidar Eide via the Control committee, as their averages didn't have much of a disparity at the time. To make up the numbers, Leicester got two relatively unknown foreigners on assessed 7.5 averages, Ernst Bogh and Greg Szczepanik. Bogh was sacked after about six weeks and Szczepanik only survived the season simply because there was no-one else. His final CMA was 2.37 including bonus points. So that worked out well. Four heat leader standard riders were allocated to tracks and refused to go. Ole Olsen being the most famous, he was adamant he wasn't going to Hull and the ever enterprising Ian Thomas formulated a lucrative deal with Charles Ochiltree of Coventry for the Dane to complete his move there. The other three were Christer Lofqvist (Wimbledon) and Tommy Johansson along with Hasse Holmqvist (Wolverhampton). Holmqvist hadn't even indicated he wanted to come back to the UK in 1976, so Wolves ended up using a combination of guests and/or R/R for both riders for the whole season. 1977 was something of a transitional year which reverted to averages only to determine team strengths, although there was a sort of dying echo carried over from the previous season. Three teams were allowed to use R/R all season for non returnees, these being Hackney for Zenon Plech, Hull for Egon Muller and most controversially of all Dag Lovaas at White City when you consider how the season panned out. Wolverhampton were granted the facility of either a guest or R/R for Tommy Johansson depending on the averages at any given time. All that was before both Cradley Heath and Leicester were allowed to use a guest for the same rider, John Boulger, for the opening months of the campaign. And people think the rules today are mad... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justgotmecpc 1,059 Posted November 8, 2020 Also some riders ( foreing ) may find it difficult to get a fix in the uk next season due to flight operators IE easyjet pulling out of some uk airports !! & According to some things I've heard 1 or 2 Danes can't commit to the uk next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinmauger 584 Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) I considered then World Champion Ole Olsen being initially allocated to Hull as being more than cool, sadly Olsen didn't agree . Have to say the man had point as he waited another year at Wolves after asking for a transfer to a bigger track and he said he'd already agreed a deal with Coventry. I always thought rider control moves seemed to be quite random at times (Jimmy McMillan & Tommy Johansson were moved from Hull to Wolves as part of the Olsen move) but think I read somewhere that the Rider Control Committee was actually made up of a group of the then BSPA promoters, not as I thought the ACU or the then Speedway Control Board. Think the SCB may have also have been formed out of BSPA members and / or referees, though I'm no defo sure on that one.... Edited November 9, 2020 by martinmauger added info, spellin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,637 Posted November 9, 2020 8 hours ago, pienpeesman said: Also some riders ( foreing ) may find it difficult to get a fix in the uk next season due to flight operators IE easyjet pulling out of some uk airports !! & According to some things I've heard 1 or 2 Danes can't commit to the uk next season Additionally some foreign riders, including Danes may be uncertain about visa eligibility should there be a hard brexit followed by an 'Australian style' visa system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) To be fair to the guy (Rob Godfrey (RG)) he's not saying here are 16 riders you must use these guy's that's it; the way I read it is; here are 16 Brits who are without team places it would be nice if you could consider these guy's before bringing in some foreign rider. You would think he is telling teams to put 3 point riders in as heat leader's. Also have Glasgow not declared the same 7 already for next season as it was mooted that all clubs had agreed that they would try and start with the same teams as announced at the start of 2020 season so what's the problem. If Newcastle manage to get all 7 back they will be around 2 points under the team build level but that's their choice. If either of Nick Skorja or Ondrej Smetana cant make it next season I would like to see a British 7 point rider replace one of these 5 pointers and if there is someone available on the list fine; if not Ludvig Lindgren (foreign rider) fits the bill; its not mandatory to pick one of the 16... If neither make it then again a 9 point rider with a 3 pointer off the list of 16 would be fine by me... (we are about 2 points under the limit) Obviously there will be the odd rider who changes his plans; especially foreign riders I would suggest; (or the rider retires (prematurely) because they have a proper job now and are earning regular cash for a change) and the odd rider who is spending the next 3 to 4 years at Her Majesty's pleasure who wont be available (ever hopefully) and also I have heard that THJ (no the other one) may not be back at this level next year so teams will by default require new riders. However RG has a list of 16 brits who are available and should be given consideration first; but if that's not viable for the team re-building and if all that's available are riders with averages from 3 to 5 points then they wont be filling in for heat leaders (will they?); They should do this every season by the end of November and float riders names around the clubs nationally and if one brit rider gets picked up over a foreign import then great; furthermore it would make all the clubs aware as to who is available to fill in for injured riders as well... There has been many a daft scheme to push riders on to clubs to promote young British riders but this isn't one of them I think people are making a bit of a mountain out of a mole-hill on this... Regards THJ Edited November 9, 2020 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy 8 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,395 Posted November 9, 2020 couldn't agree more THJ, total over reaction 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,360 Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ch958 said: couldn't agree more THJ, total over reaction From Whom though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,395 Posted November 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Fromafar said: From Whom though behave - there's a list of British riders clubs may wish to consider if some non UK riders can't come. Surely there's enough Brexiters on here to understand that 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,779 Posted November 10, 2020 On 11/8/2020 at 10:55 AM, lewy said: Self interest! Thats the problem with the management committee in a nutshell That’s the problem with speedway in a nutshell. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted November 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: That’s the problem with speedway in a nutshell. That's the problem in general, in a nutshell. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites