Hunters 210 Posted December 15, 2020 Glasgow are not alone Eastbourne are already on record fully supporting them. Has any other championship side acted similarly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,336 Posted December 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, Hunters said: Glasgow are not alone Eastbourne are already on record fully supporting them. Has any other championship side acted similarly? The BSPA just create their own problems.IMO.If the Promotions had already been told that they would be able to field the same riders for next season they should not go back on their word.If there are stronger Teams in the league so be it.Teams on paper don’t win anything it’s on the track that matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,632 Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Hunters said: Glasgow are not alone Eastbourne are already on record fully supporting them. Has any other championship side acted similarly? Somerset are supportive of the Glasgow position. A number of other clubs are supportive of 'the bigger picture'?! Poole have stated they are happy to go with the majority - presumably having sounded out possible replacements for Adam Ellis just in case?! Lets not forget the Promoters have been having regular Zoom meetings so they all know what the points options and/or team numbers are likely to be. Its simply that some are keeping their own counsel whilst others go public!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted December 15, 2020 What a complete fiasco, cock up, failure. No easy way out from this now. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,393 Posted December 15, 2020 wait til diluted teams turn up at Glasgow and 250 fans turn up. They need to get real. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyretrax 2,252 Posted December 15, 2020 Never noticed any drop in support when "weaker" teams turned up at Glasgow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryW 1,178 Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 11:45 PM, gmuncie said: BWD, Lasse Bjerre, Dmitri Berge, Thomas Jonasson (I know there are commitment issues there) 4 off the top of my head throw in riders who potentially could double up/down as averages allow such as Bewley, Lidsey, Porsing, Tungate, Anderson, Jensen, Musielak obviously not all of these riders are available but it only needs a couple to be and it’s problem solved really Have the visa rules been confirmed for the post brexit transition? Regardless of whether they would be interested in racing here, would Lasse, Dmitri or Tomas even be eligible for a work visa in the UK next year? Extra doubling up seems like a terrible option to me. Solving a problem by making a bigger long term problem doesn't seem like a win to me.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,243 Posted December 16, 2020 4 hours ago, HenryW said: Solving a problem by making a bigger long term problem doesn't seem like a win to me.... But that has been the default position for the last few decades.... Why change such a 'winning forumla'..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,884 Posted December 16, 2020 4 hours ago, HenryW said: Have the visa rules been confirmed for the post brexit transition? Regardless of whether they would be interested in racing here, would Lasse, Dmitri or Tomas even be eligible for a work visa in the UK next year? Extra doubling up seems like a terrible option to me. Solving a problem by making a bigger long term problem doesn't seem like a win to me.... 6 man teams seems the obvious solution to rider shortage. That potentially saves on around 20 riders across the top two divisions. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neila 1,149 Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 6:28 PM, ch958 said: wait til diluted teams turn up at Glasgow and 250 fans turn up. They need to get real. Crowds have been dropping at Glasgow for a while 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted December 17, 2020 NEVER 2 hours ago, Neila said: Crowds have been dropping at Glasgow for a while Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish McRaker 601 Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 11:31 AM, Hunters said: Glasgow are not alone Eastbourne are already on record fully supporting them. Has any other championship side acted similarly? Amazing what a good old punch-up can do to help build a better relationship ! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted December 17, 2020 All this is just more proof that Speedway needs an overarching governing body with no interest in any one team. None of this would have happened if there was someone saying “these are the rules now get on with it.” 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,243 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ben91 said: All this is just more proof that Speedway needs an overarching governing body with no interest in any one team. None of this would have happened if there was someone saying “these are the rules now get on with it.” 100% agree however, not going to ever happen I suspect.. It is beyond saving as a 'proper team sport' now I would say, given all the nonsense that goes on regulations wise.. When you have to have lots of supplementary rules for every rule that isnt clear, or open to interpretation, then you are probably on a loser before you even start, and when you then need an ultimate caveat of "ahhh, but you see, this is Speedway" to often ignore your very own rules, then you are definitely not going to succeed... The time for change was a long time ago, when people still attended in numbers but it didnt happen.. It's not like they didn't get enough feedback from either those in the stands, those who wrote letters to the various Speedway media outlets and, ultimately, the most telling piece of feedback of all, seeing their stadiums less full on an almost annual basis as people voted 'with their feet'... A truly possibly once in a lifetime opportunity to reset the sport with a clear five years or so plan was gifted to them via the pandemic with lots of 'downtime' to discuss the way forward at length, and in intricate detail, and they could have undertaken a huge amount of market research from fans (and ex fans), via all kinds of social media, (either in house or on public forums), to help build these plans.. Was this opportunity taken? Well what do we have after 9 months of no Speedway? We have individual tracks breaking out from the umbrella organisation and issuing their own adhoc press releases questioning what the (already agreed), points limit is to be next year.. And we are still waiting for riders to decide if they want to put Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France etc etc as their priority before riding over here.. Not great really is it? Edited December 17, 2020 by mikebv 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,336 Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, mikebv said: 100% agree however, not going to ever happen I suspect.. It is beyond saving as a 'proper team sport' now I would say, given all the nonsense that goes on regulations wise.. When you have to have lots of supplementary rules for every rule that isnt clear, or open to interpretation, then you are probably on a loser before you even start, and when you then need an ultimate caveat of "ahhh, but you see, this is Speedway" to often ignore your very own rules, then you are definitely not going to succeed... The time for change was a long time ago, when people still attended in numbers but it didnt happen.. It's not like they didn't get enough feedback from either those in the stands, those who wrote letters to the various Speedway media outlets and, ultimately, the most telling piece of feedback of all, seeing their stadiums less full on an almost annual basis as people voted 'with their feet'... A truly possibly once in a lifetime opportunity to reset the sport with a clear five years or so plan was gifted to them via the pandemic with lots of 'downtime' to discuss the way forward at length, and in intricate detail, and they could have undertaken a huge amount of market research from fans (and ex fans), via all kinds of social media, (either in house or on public forums), to help build these plans.. Was this opportunity taken? Well what do we have after 9 months of no Speedway? We have individual tracks breaking out from the umbrella organisation and issuing their own adhoc press releases questioning what the (already agreed), points limit is to be next year.. And we are still waiting for riders to decide if they want to put Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France etc etc as their priority before riding over here.. Not great really is it? It’s always been it’s our money and it’s our ball.They never seem to see the big picture.Short Term thinking is all they see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
