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15 hours ago, JamesHarris said:

Simple answer. The BSPA does not like what they refer to as "Ghost Teams" unless it suits them of cause. There have been a few such teams using such names operating in the junior leagues over the last few years but prior to the 2020 season the powers that be banned them. I think Cradley not running was finally the excuse they needed to remove this thorn from their sides. I think it got to a case where some of the people (not all I may add) running the ghost teams were nothing more than a bunch of glory hunters using defunct names to play real life fantasy speedway. The BSPA gave them a criteria that they had to show concrete proof that they had acquired land to build a new track in the catchment areas of the said defunct clubs but the reality of that happening is like Donald Trump becoming the president of Greenpeace. 

Things can change though and if Rob Godfrey ever decided it may be good business to run a second team in the National League as either Halifax Dukes or Hull Vikings the ghost team rule would change overnight. 

There were a couple of issue with ghost teams but most were just trying to keep interest in a defunct side whilst offering track time and opportunities to emerging riders. There were some that were closer to putting a side back on track than others (be it as a second team at an existing track or finding their own venues) but by forcing them out it has removed any chance of being successful. 

Over the years we have seen teams denied race nights as it clashes with others hundreds of miles away, teams had changes of leagues denied due to being too close or too far from other teams and denied permission to run because the name is wrong/not geographically accurate. Hardly forward thinking or visionary..... 

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41 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

There were a couple of issue with ghost teams but most were just trying to keep interest in a defunct side whilst offering track time and opportunities to emerging riders. There were some that were closer to putting a side back on track than others (be it as a second team at an existing track or finding their own venues) but by forcing them out it has removed any chance of being successful. 

Over the years we have seen teams denied race nights as it clashes with others hundreds of miles away, teams had changes of leagues denied due to being too close or too far from other teams and denied permission to run because the name is wrong/not geographically accurate. Hardly forward thinking or visionary..... 

Its Crazy isn't it. Can you imagine if in Rugby Union they said Wasps and Leicester Tigers couldn't play their respective home games on a Saturday because Leicester were the senior team and had priority. Or Even in football. It would never happen. Each team has its own support base. If Plymouth ran on a Friday night it would have no effect whatsoever on Scunthorpe's attendance.  

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22 minutes ago, JamesHarris said:

Its Crazy isn't it. Can you imagine if in Rugby Union they said Wasps and Leicester Tigers couldn't play their respective home games on a Saturday because Leicester were the senior team and had priority. Or Even in football. It would never happen. Each team has its own support base. If Plymouth ran on a Friday night it would have no effect whatsoever on Scunthorpe's attendance.  

Except it does happen in football. Tranmere Rovers, and I think Colchester Utd, among othets have often played on Fridays because of issues with police and medical cover meaning they give way to more senior neighbours.

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1 hour ago, JamesHarris said:

Its Crazy isn't it. Can you imagine if in Rugby Union they said Wasps and Leicester Tigers couldn't play their respective home games on a Saturday because Leicester were the senior team and had priority. Or Even in football. It would never happen. Each team has its own support base. If Plymouth ran on a Friday night it would have no effect whatsoever on Scunthorpe's attendance.  

It’s not Scunthorpe attendance Godfrey is worried about, it’s the lack of available guest riders with so many Friday night tracks , Scunthorpe, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Redcar, that’s eight teams already committed out of 11 or 12 in the division . You need a number 1? you now only have 3 or 4 to choose from and some of them might be injured or unavailable. 
For once it makes sense not to have another Friday night track , wherever it is.

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18 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said:

It’s not Scunthorpe attendance Godfrey is worried about, it’s the lack of available guest riders with so many Friday night tracks , Scunthorpe, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Redcar, that’s eight teams already committed out of 11 or 12 in the division . You need a number 1? you now only have 3 or 4 to choose from and some of them might be injured or unavailable. 
For once it makes sense not to have another Friday night track , wherever it is.

If the Godfather was that worried he would move Scunnys race day back to Sundays but he has done what he thinks is best for attendance's and his business which is fair enough but why do others not get the same opportunities? Missing riders affect most sides over the season so guests from the league below, unavailable riders or the dreaded RR would level out over a season rather than track specialists being brought in non stop. Personally my dream (stadium availability aside which will ever prevent this happening) would be NL Sunday, CL Friday and PL Mondays with Thursday as a reserve day for all in event of a fixture backlog. 

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1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

If the Godfather was that worried he would move Scunnys race day back to Sundays but he has done what he thinks is best for attendance's and his business which is fair enough but why do others not get the same opportunities? Missing riders affect most sides over the season so guests from the league below, unavailable riders or the dreaded RR would level out over a season rather than track specialists being brought in non stop. Personally my dream (stadium availability aside which will ever prevent this happening) would be NL Sunday, CL Friday and PL Mondays with Thursday as a reserve day for all in event of a fixture backlog. 

You’ve partially answered your own question. Godfrey WILL do what he wants. He CAN run any day he likes as it’s his stadium with little in the way of restrictions, the simple answer is he makes good money off hiring the track out at weekends ( amateur meetings , stocks etc ) so he’s not going to financially penalise himself by going back to Sunday’s. He is also the chairman of the mafia and so will do what he wants and others will do as they are told, Peterborough and Workington being recent examples who were dictated to by him and Buster and forget the ‘ benefit of the sport ‘.

Your ‘ dream ‘ is just that, a dream, sadly.

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Imagine ensuring that having enough guests are available as one of your main priorities when planning a fixture list?

Rather than planning one that takes every opportunity possible to run Speedway meetings at weekends...

"Please take us seriously fans, media and sponsors".....:D

 

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On 1/19/2021 at 2:21 PM, Ringitsneck said:

You’ve partially answered your own question. Godfrey WILL do what he wants. He CAN run any day he likes as it’s his stadium with little in the way of restrictions, the simple answer is he makes good money off hiring the track out at weekends ( amateur meetings , stocks etc ) so he’s not going to financially penalise himself by going back to Sunday’s. He is also the chairman of the mafia and so will do what he wants and others will do as they are told, Peterborough and Workington being recent examples who were dictated to by him and Buster and forget the ‘ benefit of the sport ‘.

Your ‘ dream ‘ is just that, a dream, sadly.

Fixed race nights have actually contributed to the closure of tracks in this country. How does that benefit speedway. Self interest will wipe out the sport, eventually. 

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43 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

Fixed race nights have actually contributed to the closure of tracks in this country. How does that benefit speedway. Self interest will wipe out the sport, eventually. 

However, fixed race nights did ensure that all the top riders in the world came back to ride over here.....

Oh, hang on......:rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, mikebv said:

However, fixed race nights did ensure that all the top riders in the world came back to ride over here.....

Oh, hang on......:rolleyes:

...And fixed race nights further encouraged 'doubling up / down'..... further destroying the 'team ethic'.... I miss the team picture on the back of Speedy Star that held good through the season. 

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43 minutes ago, Lefty said:

...And fixed race nights further encouraged 'doubling up / down'..... further destroying the 'team ethic'.... I miss the team picture on the back of Speedy Star that held good through the season. 

Let's be honest the main reason for fixed race nights was simply to ensure plenty of guests for both leagues would be available and provide plenty of Double Up/Down opportunities for riders who need to ride in two or more leagues to make it pay...

A quite incredible operating model to devise, nail your mast to, and expect it to deliver a successful business..

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On 1/20/2021 at 5:20 PM, mikebv said:

Let's be honest the main reason for fixed race nights was simply to ensure plenty of guests for both leagues would be available and provide plenty of Double Up/Down opportunities for riders who need to ride in two or more leagues to make it pay...

A quite incredible operating model to devise, nail your mast to, and expect it to deliver a successful business..

Yes, and it worked, but what preceeded it wasn't.

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On 1/21/2021 at 8:02 PM, Tsunami said:

Yes, and it worked, but what preceeded it wasn't.

Didn't work for Sheffield and Rye House to name two

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On 1/13/2021 at 1:31 PM, Ringitsneck said:

You need to get your facts right.

The NL has been independently run for several years, they have their own meetings and don’t pay any fees to the BSP Ltd and get discount on their insurance and referees fees via the BSP Ltd.

So where’s the interference?

Jason Pipe is a volunteer, nothing more nothing less.

I think it is you that needs to get your facts right. 

The NL is not run independently as all their meetings are overseen by the Management Committee, with all decisions having to be ratified at a General Committee meeting. All the  standalone clubs pay fees to the BSPA and to the SCB, the insurance is cheaper because the benefits are much reduced from the other two legs, and the referees fees are slightly less because the referees choose to charge less for their services. 

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10 hours ago, Great Central said:

I think it is you that needs to get your facts right. 

The NL is not run independently as all their meetings are overseen by the Management Committee, with all decisions having to be ratified at a General Committee meeting. All the  standalone clubs pay fees to the BSPA and to the SCB, the insurance is cheaper because the benefits are much reduced from the other two legs, and the referees fees are slightly less because the referees choose to charge less for their services. 

Always has been since my involvement in Linlithgow. We did look to organise ourselves but we had Peter Morrish appointed to look after the league. Also a number of our ideas which we thought would make it cheaper for riders were knocked back by the BSPA Chairman at the time.

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