KIRKYLANE 537 Posted June 23, 2021 Allowing two tyres per meeting is tantamount to accepting that the tyres are not good enough.We have had many years where only one tyre is allowed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehone 3,428 Posted June 23, 2021 surely this just ups the costs, whoever has to pay whether it's riders or BSPL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted June 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, stevehone said: surely this just ups the costs, whoever has to pay whether it's riders or BSPL Not is Anlas are sucking up the cost for sub-standard products? Although the costs as a whole have gone up as these new tyres are more considerably more expensive than the outgoing Mitas. As ever in Speedway the cost of these 'improvements' only ever get passed on to the paying public 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 956 Posted June 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, stevehone said: surely this just ups the costs, whoever has to pay whether it's riders or BSPL Or the fans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,263 Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, stevehone said: surely this just ups the costs, whoever has to pay whether it's riders or BSPL Surely Anlas will be absorbing the cost themselves? Their review process that they carried out must have highlighted the issues hence the additional tyre is the recommendation... If it was fit for purpose initially at these tracks then there wouldnt have been a need for extra tyres, therefore they as the manufacturer will be taking this cost impact surely? Edited June 23, 2021 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted June 23, 2021 It's just another expensive complication for what should be a very simple sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted June 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, cityrebel said: It's just another expensive complication for what should be a very simple sport. Precisely all these excusive agreements just hurt the sport in the UK and prevent it from moving forward. Instead of the kick backs and dodgy deals we could have had any hologomated tyre is allowed for use in the UK. If there is an advantage between one and another at certain tracks then it adds to part of the spectacle. Mitas may not have been perfect but at least everyone knew its flaws and how to work around them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Byker Biker 468 Posted June 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Precisely all these excusive agreements just hurt the sport in the UK and prevent it from moving forward. Instead of the kick backs and dodgy deals we could have had any hologomated tyre is allowed for use in the UK. If there is an advantage between one and another at certain tracks then it adds to part of the spectacle. Mitas may not have been perfect but at least everyone knew its flaws and how to work around them. Except the tyre manufacturers want exclusivity to supply, otherwise the volume opportunity is restricted but more importantly the cost of R & D can't be justified so a five year deal costed back to the price of a tyre doesn't make megabucks for anyone. The "kickback" is to contribute to the cost of "environmental storage and controlled disposal" bearing in mind that the tyre disposal contractors won't rock up for 14 tyres, they want hundreds at a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted June 24, 2021 8 hours ago, Byker Biker said: Except the tyre manufacturers want exclusivity to supply, otherwise the volume opportunity is restricted but more importantly the cost of R & D can't be justified so a five year deal costed back to the price of a tyre doesn't make megabucks for anyone. The "kickback" is to contribute to the cost of "environmental storage and controlled disposal" bearing in mind that the tyre disposal contractors won't rock up for 14 tyres, they want hundreds at a time. Whilst your post is perfectly well reasoned the tyres were already developed and in use abroad and GPs plus the one tyre rule isn't applied in Poland (Speedways benchmark country?). I do appreciate the disposal elements and it must be very costly to chuck the used tyres in a massive pile and do nothing with them/use them to keep greyhound sheeting down/put signs up saying no tyres left in pits so riders have to take them away and dispose thier selves (yes i know nobody acknowledges the signs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wtf 621 Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 2:08 PM, mikebv said: Surely Anlas will be absorbing the cost themselves? Their review process that they carried out must have highlighted the issues hence the additional tyre is the recommendation... If it was fit for purpose initially at these tracks then there wouldnt have been a need for extra tyres, therefore they as the manufacturer will be taking this cost impact surely? You would like to think Anlas would be absorbing the costs, but then depends on how well you did you due diligence on the contract you signed. (I'll not answer how well scrutinised that would have been) It would be pretty disappointing and typical if the original tyre testing had been done at one of the tracks now needing 2 tyres by who knows? a couple of National League riders because they happened to be there and were free? I mean, you get a proper test like that rather than getting a half decent experienced top level (UK) rider to put them through their paces and give you some proper feedback. But hey, they might want the costs for their expertise and equipment use covered for the day. Whereas giving a couple of national league riders a bit of free track time will be just as good won't it. But this is just speculation Unfortunately speedway still is yet to learn that you get what you pay for. Peanuts and primates 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wee Eck 703 Posted July 31, 2021 It seems that 15 of the 16 riders at last night’s Wroclaw GP were using Anlas Tyres. It seems they are consistently providing more grip though I don’t know if the longevity issue has been resolved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,993 Posted July 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wee Eck said: It seems that 15 of the 16 riders at last night’s Wroclaw GP were using Anlas Tyres. It seems they are consistently providing more grip though I don’t know if the longevity issue has been resolved. is the Golden tyre (whatever that was) now a thing of the past now Hancock has retired? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillwhitewasmad 1,487 Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Wee Eck said: It seems that 15 of the 16 riders at last night’s Wroclaw GP were using Anlas Tyres. It seems they are consistently providing more grip though I don’t know if the longevity issue has been resolved. the difference in the gp is its one race one tyre unlike here where its meant to be on tyre per meeting. recently we used anlas 002 in the 250 cc class in poland and germany and did one race per edge and got similar wear patterns to the anlas 003 which we use in the uk. the tyres are not designed for longevity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wee Eck 703 Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, iainb said: is the Golden tyre (whatever that was) now a thing of the past now Hancock has retired? My recollection was that the Golden tyre worked well for Greg when the silencers changed to the ones that Eddie Kennett was caught doctoring, but when the rules changed again, basically back to the original silencer, after some poor early season results, Greg bought himself out of the contract. That was some time ago now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
