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1 hour ago, Charlieboy said:

Changes need to happen before the next meeting. Not sure Iverssen is the answer he seems to be injury prone last few years.  I don’t get why so many people slag basically all televised meetings off. This is modern day speedway. The bikes are too fast for the outdated British tracks. Sometimes the production of the meeting is poor as the camera seems to follow the race leader and not the race behind him. It’s the same with th GP. You never get 15 heats of brilliant speedway we never have. It’s a myth that some think that from the 70s  Arena Essex and Eastbourne always had poor meetings when they raced against teams from bigger tracks on their Mickey Mouse trick tracks. At the end of the day if the meeting is boring turn the Chanel over and watch a soap or love island. I know what I would rather watch 

So would i, love island is great, isn't it!!!!

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1 hour ago, Col said:

Was probably the poorest advert for Speedway and Owlerton I've seen live.  Having been forced to watch the visit of the Aces from 3/4 bends I was looking forward to standing by the tapes, but ended up on the 3/4 bends after a few heats, the greyhound equipment on the home straight does impair the view.  I'd obviously got a good spot higher on the terracing earlier on previous visits.   The annoying thing is that you can get a reasonable unimpaired view on the entry of the first turn but it's got yellow hatch paint and some steward is standing guard - why?

Best race was Batchelor v/s Pedersen, Howarth didn't really get going I also think Stead missed a trick when Howarth hit the tapes, why didn't he put Bickley in the re-run to get his third ride out of the way?  It was rather pointless as it happens because the other Tigers reserve Wright didn't trouble the scorers much but he didn't know that.   And I'm afraid Tigers won't make the playoffs unless there is a change.  Another thing I think Stead is getting wrong, in the absence of Holder and while Batchelor remains highest in the averages surely putting Ellis at 5, Howarth with Guest at 3 & 4 and Pickering at 2 would make most sense?

Sheffield, for all the money that's been spent on the stadium, has to be one of the worst in the country for viewing, home straight is too flat, it's like sitting behind a tall guy in the cinema, kids have no chance of seeing the action, 1st bend has disappeared, back straight out of bounds for years, if Odsal can fix/maintain terracing, why can't Sheffield ? 3rd(ish) & 4th bend poor for watching starts & 1st-2nd bend action. Can't see crowds improving even with the lifting of covid restrictions.

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44 minutes ago, Halifordukesfan said:

Sheffield, for all the money that's been spent on the stadium, has to be one of the worst in the country for viewing

Birmingham is pretty poor also

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1 hour ago, Halifordukesfan said:

Sheffield, for all the money that's been spent on the stadium, has to be one of the worst in the country for viewing, home straight is too flat, it's like sitting behind a tall guy in the cinema, kids have no chance of seeing the action, 1st bend has disappeared, back straight out of bounds for years, if Odsal can fix/maintain terracing, why can't Sheffield ? 3rd(ish) & 4th bend poor for watching starts & 1st-2nd bend action. Can't see crowds improving even with the lifting of covid restrictions.

The back straight was always my favoured spot.

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17 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

The back straight was always my favoured spot.

Only problem with opening up the "other side" at several tracks is that the crowd would then look very sparse...

Wouldnt generate much (any?) atmosphere either which standing together can at least help to improve.. 

 

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2 hours ago, KIRKYLANE said:

I always enjoyed the racing at Sheffield and rated the track in the top 3 British tracks. …….used to go 8 or 9 times a season.

In recent years the quality of racing has taken a nose dive to the point where I rarely go as I have been so disappointed with the racing.

Last night, I watched it on Eurosport and my mother who has watched Speedway since the 60s commented around heat 11 “ there hasn’t been much passing”

would love to see Sheffield get back to having a good race track

 

Track prepared to deal with the heat and not to balloon dust.

As commented modern speedway is speed and the guy with the fastest bike normally wins. As most riders have similar equipment the only way you will get passing if someone makes a mistake and on a track like Sheffield where it’s open the throttle full and blast it, then that ain’t going to happen.

Batchelor shouldn’t be riding at number 1 but the averages demand he does. I can’t see how averages make any relevance to teams in this league when the standard has fallen so far.

Harris at reserve is an example of the system being wrong and allowing 7 rides makes no sense.

 

 

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Why is Harris at reserve wrong? They built their team to the same points limit as everybody else, but they went for strength in depth rather than a big hitter like Batchelor. The advantage of the Peterborough approach is that you will always have at least one strong reserve. The only reason people are complaining is that it is Chris Harris, former GP rider who is currently occupying that birth - don’t think anything was said about Ulrich being at reserve at the beginning of the season, as it was generally accepted that his average was such that he fitted there

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Posted (edited)

I enjoyed the Belle Vue meeting and so went again last night. Obviously, the racing was not as good but the scores were close and the balance tilted between the teams until the Panthers pulled away, so I enjoyed my evening out. Owlerton is perfectly capable of producing good racing, as the Belle Vue match showed. I don't know how many tracks I've seen speedway at but the common denominator is that I've seen poor meetings at all of them, including many at the great Hyde Road. My one visit to the NSS produced a turkey. It happens.

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20 minutes ago, Cue Ball said:

Why is Harris at reserve wrong? They built their team to the same points limit as everybody else, but they went for strength in depth rather than a big hitter like Batchelor. The advantage of the Peterborough approach is that you will always have at least one strong reserve. The only reason people are complaining is that it is Chris Harris, former GP rider who is currently occupying that birth - don’t think anything was said about Ulrich being at reserve at the beginning of the season, as it was generally accepted that his average was such that he fitted there

Is the Peterborough team any worse than Sheffield’s ? Of course it isn’t.
It’s the system of the current averages being meaningless when you have a rider being able to take 7 rides.

Totally different when you had teams built on strong  heat leaders and your 3 or 4 point riders were a reserve (Elite league some years ago) We don't have that luxury any more.

Teams in this league are more or less similar in ability now.

Harris for instance hasn’t suddenly become a poor rider, but for the sake of a few decimal points he gets 7 rides.

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Don't forget if you build a top heavy team your top two can each take 5 rides - 6 if tactical substitutions come into play, which one could argue is equally "unfair". The problem is that their number one is struggling for form; the way things are going he could find himself at reserve before long, and taking 7  rides.

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3 hours ago, cityrebel said:

So would i, love island is great, isn't it!!!!

Yes it is if you like to watch talentless people making a fortune 

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5 hours ago, Halifordukesfan said:

if Odsal can fix/maintain terracing, why can't Sheffield ?

I assume Bradford Bulls (tenants) / Bradford Council (owners) can afford to pay for the upkeep of Odsal whereas Owlerton is privately owned.

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14 hours ago, HenryW said:

Sam is knowledgable about the sport. He is an absolutely awful commentator, but could be useful as a summariser between races. Back in the very old days he used to be quite good in the studio on Sky for GPs.

Sam does a great job imho.

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4 hours ago, Charlieboy said:

Yes it is if you like to watch talentless people making a fortune 

Batch or Love Island contestants? 

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I went last night, and also went to the Ipswich match. Those are the first speedway matches ive been to since the Sean Wilson, Andre compton days. (yes, a while ago)

The racing back then was usually gate and go. Sheffield generally picked alot of Racers than the smaller track specialists. There obviously wasnt alot of passing last night, but if you put your back into it, then you got the reward. With how warm conditions were, the track looked great, super grippy and fast, wasnt throwing up any dust. But i would like to see it more slicker and a real dirt line on the outside.

Will enjoy my future visits as a neutral.

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