bigred 187 Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Bear_Bottom said: At least he'll still have one income. Only classed as income if you actually get paid…hope for him kings lynn pay and on time . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Normski 1,299 Posted August 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Poole will be up first at 16:00 hours then Plymouth and with the best will in the world it won't finish before 8 I wouldn't of thought Regards THJ When Berwick have had double headers this season with Championship & NDL fixtures they have managed to complete them in 3hrs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Normski said: When Berwick have had double headers this season with Championship & NDL fixtures they have managed to complete them in 3hrs. Aye you would hope but ave been to some real drawn out double ups but saying that after our previous brief foray into Championship & NDL fixtures against Edinburgh that was rattled through quite quickly to be fair... obviously depends on any injuries and the referee... Regards THJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KEITH M 850 Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Aye you would hope but ave been to some real drawn out double ups but saying that after our previous brief foray into Championship & NDL fixtures against Edinburgh that was rattled through quite quickly to be fair... obviously depends on any injuries and the referee... Regards THJ Don’t know about you but even though I know it has to be done the worst part of a double header is the standing around waiting for the track to be regraded after the first meeting…. That seems to go on for ages and I have seen fans leave because of it Edited August 3, 2021 by KEITH M 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted August 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, bigred said: Only classed as income if you actually get paid…hope for him kings lynn pay and on time . So are you saying he hasn’t been paid? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted August 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, KEITH M said: Don’t know about you but even though I know it has to be done the worst part of a double header is rhe standing around waiting for the track to be regraded after the first meeting…. That seems to go on for ages and I have seen fans leave because of it Was an hour the interval at the Edinburgh meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/2/2021 at 6:52 PM, screm said: Important Statement from the Promotion. As we will have all seen recently, the Birmingham Brummies have unfortunately reached a crossroads in their season that they are describing as 'make or break', putting out an urgent plea for their fans, old and new, to get behind their club once and for all and attend their forthcoming meeting on Wednesday night, or face the reality that Birmingham may have to close it doors. It is with extremely heavy hearts, that the Newcastle promotion would also like to make their supporters aware that due to low crowd numbers, we regrettably find ourselves in an insecure financial position leaving us uncertain of the future. Honestly Its not the begging bowl as that only puts a plaster over a running sore; its crowd numbers that are the issue as who wants to run a business at a loss? (by the way the answer to that question is "no-one")! The only meetings this season that have covered there costs were the first one of the season against Edinburgh and then the Redcar match and the big difference between these two and the other meetings to date are those clubs brought fans to the fixture in numbers to swell the usual crowd, There just isn't enough local interest at the minute for whatever reason and the club need 300 more paying customers to attend to make it viable. 300 doesn't seem a lot but it is the difference between running at a loss and breaking even. Then to be fair to the promotion its not for the want of trying by them to get people to come because they are promoting the B'Jesus out of it... Local TV: Metro Radio; Facebook and Twitter and the markets at Hexham Alnwick and Morpeth and the Quayside Market on Sunday and.... Get this.... they gave out 500 free tickets to folk for the Berwick match and no one; not a single person; nadir; none; took up the offer and that was for free entry FFS!!! What else is it going to take to get people in? a free programme and a pulled pork sandwich? honestly give me a break they are already giving free parking this year... We seen this at Worky with failing crowds and we know what has happened over there and you get people saying "Oh its a pity it folded I miss it" and when you ask if they went or not; the reply is "well no I didn't use to go but I used to follow it in the local paper" Eh!!! "I mean come on!!! What Chance Have They Got". If you want to keep it you need to use it and patronize to place... People on Facebook and Twitter and other such social media platforms can really help the club and it wouldn't be an onerous task as all they need to do is re-tweet and like whatever the club are putting out there and do all the other things that get the club noticed to try and spread the word and encourage people to come... the promotion are doing their very best but its just not happening. One clown on Sunday tackled Rob Grant and said "you are ruining this spot and you should do the right thing and flog it" You have to laugh because who would take something on that doesn't have a fan base anymore and costs them four grand a meeting to run? all the place needs is 650 paying customers and accepted that there are season ticket holders whose tickets are being honoured at the minute at cost to the club; however it would take just 300 more people through the door to put the place back on an even keel. Believe me when I say this Rob Grant is the only saviour of Newcastle Speedway there is no one waiting in the wings waiting to snap it up and what he needs is fans supporting the team; even if they don't like him; if they come and support the team; their home town club; is what is needed: from a place like Newcastle with a catchment of near 300,000 people and God knows how many else in the surrounding Tyne and Wear area he needs roughly 650 paying customers: 650 that's all!! or as many have pointed out it will go... and once its gone as far as Brough Park is concerned that would be that; as the other issue is ARC the stadium owners are only giving out one year leases at a time and who can build a business plan on that? Come on Newcastle Fans never mind giving this promotion some support just get along to Brough and start attending meetings and supporting your team again and lets show this promotion that it is worth their while sticking around and promoting Speedway on Tyneside... I'm sure I am not the only one who does not want this to be the last season we see Speedway in Newcastle ever again... Get Tweeting; Re-Tweeting; Liking and Forwarding on the stuff the club are putting out on Social Media and lets get it to the widest audience possible... You can do you bit by just sitting in your chair and it wont cost you a penny... Regards THJ 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,224 Posted August 4, 2021 Feel for Granty,he got sold a pup.Trouble is all your Posts on here won’t help the situation one bit as most of fans the forum are regular attenders.The sport is in trouble but the people running the sport seem to think everything is rosy ,fans donations are propping up majority of Clubs.Perhaps Granty maybe should have started in NDL and built up from there.Only my opinion.Certainly doesn’t sound good for Newcastle and Birmingham given the financial climate at this present moment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz 214 Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) The trouble is if 500 tickets were available free and no one turned up, how can we get 300 more through the door if they have to pay? Keep retweeting etc and forwarding Facebook posts and hopefully some will decide to go or return if they have stopped going. Hopefully the next 2 weekends bring in decentish away crowds which will help break even at least. Also anyone having a go at Granty after everything he has done is an idiot!! Edited August 4, 2021 by Gaz 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Feel for Granty ,he got sold a pup. Trouble is all your Posts on here won’t help the situation one bit as most of fans the forum are regular attenders. The sport is in trouble but the people running the sport seem to think everything is rosy ,fans donations are propping up majority of Clubs. Perhaps Granty maybe should have started in NDL and built up from there. Only my opinion. Certainly doesn’t sound good for Newcastle and Birmingham given the financial climate at this present moment. To be fair he didn't pay much for the pup however its upkeep is costing him an absolute fortune and if fans who are on the forum are also on Social Media and do their bit it cant do any harm to an already precarious situation. The NDL was a none starter as the Stadium and running costs make it a worse idea than running in the Championship.... The finances for running an NDL team at Newcastle just don't stack up whatsoever unfortunately and it has been considered by more than this promotion and rejected... Rob is between a rock and a hard place and his enthusiasm must be starting to wane by now as there are other issues rumbling away under the surface but he is trying to address the main problem to hand and he is promoting the hell out of the place but it all seems to be to no avail... But I agree with most of what you say and things are not looking good for next season that is for sure... maybe for me ice the franchise for a year and see what the BSPL do and possibly come back in 2023 if its viable... but there needs to be big changes and to be totally honest I think people are running out of ideas.... things should have been done before now especially with regard to Poland and Brexit.... here is a daft idea "What happens if Poland say to all the riders over there we will pay you more and you only race in this league nowhere else" where will that leave the job... Knackered I would say... Regards THJ Edited August 4, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KEITH M 850 Posted August 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: The only meetings this season that have covered there costs were the first one of the season against Edinburgh and then the Redcar match and the big difference between these two and the other meetings to date are those clubs brought fans to the fixture in numbers to swell the usual crowd, Regards THJ EXACTLY what I said on F/B and I got crucified for it .. I said the Redcar fans helped swell the crowd greatly but it was still a poor crowd for a Tyne-Tees derby 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singy13 372 Posted August 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Feel for Granty,he got sold a pup.Trouble is all your Posts on here won’t help the situation one bit as most of fans the forum are regular attenders.The sport is in trouble but the people running the sport seem to think everything is rosy ,fans donations are propping up majority of Clubs.Perhaps Granty maybe should have started in NDL and built up from there.Only my opinion.Certainly doesn’t sound good for Newcastle and Birmingham given the financial climate at this present moment. Great committment, as ever, from the excellent THJ...but 'Fromafar' has hit the nail on the head this time. The people on this forum are usually genuine speedway fans...and if they have a team, locally, to support they'll do so, certainly in most circumstances. It hurts like hell to lose your team, the Comets were my passion for many years and boy do I miss them. I was interested in THJ's maths re population catchment available. Newcastle being able to contact 300,000 folk......wow that pales into insignificance the 25,000 folk residing in Workington doesn't it? Even nearby jameaters Whitehaven only add 24,000.....small wonder Laura had the inability to persuade a profit making audience to rally round when the rot set in. I'm afraid speedway is losing(lost) it's appeal to 50/50 committed folk....so many riders being team mates, then another night enemies, it's just so farcical. Second now in my view to WWE crap. I do sincerely hope the Diamonds carry on....but when the significant warning signs are sounded it does just remind of the 2018 season and a fond goodbye to the Derwent Park heroes. Sorry geordie guys, good luck. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted August 4, 2021 A know this might not help the cause much, but a think there's still plenty of folk out there, that still think were in lockdown. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartinBSN 617 Posted August 4, 2021 Genuine question, did Rob truly believe the club would break even in his first year whilst also running an NDL team? I don't think there's many teams that actually break even. Especially those that don't own their own stadiums. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,224 Posted August 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, singy13 said: Great committment, as ever, from the excellent THJ...but 'Fromafar' has hit the nail on the head this time. The people on this forum are usually genuine speedway fans...and if they have a team, locally, to support they'll do so, certainly in most circumstances. It hurts like hell to lose your team, the Comets were my passion for many years and boy do I miss them. I was interested in THJ's maths re population catchment available. Newcastle being able to contact 300,000 folk......wow that pales into insignificance the 25,000 folk residing in Workington doesn't it? Even nearby jameaters Whitehaven only add 24,000.....small wonder Laura had the inability to persuade a profit making audience to rally round when the rot set in. I'm afraid speedway is losing(lost) it's appeal to 50/50 committed folk....so many riders being team mates, then another night enemies, it's just so farcical. Second now in my view to WWE crap. I do sincerely hope the Diamonds carry on....but when the significant warning signs are sounded it does just remind of the 2018 season and a fond goodbye to the Derwent Park heroes. Sorry geordie guys, good luck. It has certainly lost its appeal to 50/50 committed folk,the rider situation is farcical, people are just not seeing it as Professional Sport these day and are not going to spend that amount of money to keep many riders in a good little earner. There is no easy solution,but there is not much urgency to do any thing about attendances not being able to match rider costs .Some of the “ middle of the road Teams” get by on supporter hand outs and muddle along but sooner or later that will run dry as there is not a lot of new fans being attracted. So sad for a great sport.(If your a fan). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites