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More information for everybody, Monmore Green home to the Wolverhampton Wolves Speedway was originally an exact copy of the layout of the Brough Park

track, watching it now live on BT Sport they have changed it from the old days I remembered and set up as all the vast majority of tracks built now are for the modern

laydown engined bikes and so if you make the gate and go as fast as you can, nobody will pass you.

Ivan Mauger said many years ago, if you could ride Brough Park, you could ride anywhere but after watching only a few heats of modern G.P. and League speedway

I change channel and watch something else with more entertainment.

 

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4 minutes ago, diamonds7 said:

Good idea but you will get the same old same old not everybody does facebook,twitter and instagram   having said that not everything goes on our website.

I totally agree, although more people go on Facebook than come on here.. the website would be best option with a link to the vote maybe on Facebook. 
If the supporters club are on here maybe they could do this.. who knows.

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22 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Dunno what the difference would be in the wage bill,,, would the same amount of fans paying less cover it, or would you get less fans paying less, or more fans paying less?

See previous; the costs remain the same for putting a meeting on between 2.5k and 3k a meeting but remember that home meeting needs to cover the away meeting cost and this is what blew Worky out of the water 328 turning up to the home meeting with Scunny and the team scoring near 60 points in this match and then going to Scunny and scoring over 50 down their where they usually got 35... Worky vs Newcastle 480 in and Worky get over 50 both home and away meetings when they very rarely broke 40 at Brough; Ipswich 428 crowd at DP then you win down their and the travel costs are double and you pay out for 47 points instead of the usual 30/35 ish and I could give many more examples... it is not sustainable even at 20 quid a head that gives you around 10k of income off that Newcastle meeting with an outlay of 2.5k for the stadium rental and putting the home meeting on then 70 quid a point average for your riders wages and 500 quid on travel; but you also have other costs that need paid for throughout the season.

Rob Grant wasn't daft and he knew that 550 was his break even figure and that isn't an ambitious figure to be fair but we haven't got anywhere near that with the exception of the the first meeting of the season against Edinburgh when the Covid restrictions were on; the Redcar meeting and Double Header with Poole and Plymouth and for whatever the reasons we got 1088 in through the doors for that meeting which could have been the Poole effect with a good side and/or the Bjarne and Crump farewell tour effect with Plymouth... who knows...  Would these meetings as separate meeting have brought in the same figures for two separate meetings? again who knows....

It is a definite juggling act when you are working on such tight margins; and you have to put out a competitive team; the bottom line is we can just about guarantee now around 350 fans which doesn't sustain "Jack" at the minute; however that figure would potentially keep an NDL team running if we could halve or better still get rid of the rental cost but we cant so you need 550/600/650 in to maintain a Championship team 200 to 300 more fans more than we have now... they all ain't sitting on a wall outside unfortunately and its not for the want of trying s the promotion have done a lot of work in this respect to try and encourage more people to come... and if we got just over a 1000 for every meeting we wouldn't be having this conversation whatsoever...

Regards
THJ 

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1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

See previous;

Regards

THJ 

Yeah, think I posted just at the same time then had to rush out.

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2 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Yeah, think I posted just at the same time then had to rush out.

Not that it matters a jot now, but in general the crowds look smaller, but I wonder how many of the missing crowd payed or didn't pay for entrance?

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Problem is as THJ referred to in his original post is how would any losses incurred as the season progresses be covered?

There has to be a vehicle to run the club and the shareholders/directors/trustees are going to be on the hook for any losses that wouldn't be covered by funds raised to date.

You might get people to stick in a sum of money at the start or a regular payment but what would happen when a cash call came in the middle of the season....

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Sounds like time to listen to the head rather than the heart.

Sad though that may be.

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14 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said:

How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season?

Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed.

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10 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed.

Since when did 38 X £70 plus £500 come close to £6k?!

Edit: Doh! Away too

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49 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said:

How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season?

The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage

39 minutes ago, TheScotsman said:

Sounds like time to listen to the head rather than the heart.

Sad though that may be.

Aye you wouldn't put your 17 year old dog through it would you... just prolonging the pain

30 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed.

As it happens Ruff just under £65 quid per point however your are spot on... However Rob has made a good fist of it and would have made a small profit this year (and this is a guess) to about £5k depending if we get the 550+ required for the last home meeting and talking to Daryl Illingworth last night about it and he reckons that would have been the first profit the club made since the early to mid 90's so it has been a hell of an effort by Rob and his team...

It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding...

Regards

THJ

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10 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage

Regards

THJ

But that wont happen if he runs 2022??? Or has he just reached the end of his tether...?

A lot seems to have been posted today, will make some interesting reading tonight...

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I would though insist on a BSPL recognised promotion team with a decent track record before any cash is put forward by fans. 

We did a big collection when the Phillips promotion closed Birmingham. £10k was pledged to continue the following year. Unsurprisingly you get some scrupulous people come forward, we at Birmingham even had the Phillips family once again come forward!

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17 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage

Aye you wouldn't put your 17 year old dog through it would you... just prolonging the pain

As it happens Ruff just under £65 quid per point however your are spot on... However Rob has made a good fist of it and would have made a small profit this year (and this is a guess) to about £5k depending if we get the 550+ required for the last home meeting and talking to Daryl Illingworth last night about it and he reckons that would have been the first profit the club made since the early to mid 90's so it has been a hell of an effort by Rob and his team...

It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding...

Regards

THJ

Made a profit including the 10k fans raised so a 5k loss really? Either way I thought it might of been a lot worse due to low crowds.

Good job we didn’t have a team hitting 60 points per match. 

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wonder if the people of Tyneside would turn out for NL racing to the tune of 4/500 people. 

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