Trees 2,814 Posted October 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, MARK246 said: Thousands of ex supporters won't pay £20 to watch anymore why should Sky We all knew why SKY ditched speedway ..... too much money paid out for football and F1! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,237 Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Trees said: Not until SKY didn't pay anymore ...... If it had been watched by enough people Sky would have kept it going as the advertisers alone would have been happy for them to continue with it... And if tracks had some kind of covers to increase their chances of running, rather than calling off meetings on 'damp but raceable' ' nights, I am sure Sky would have been more inclined to keep the contract open. As it stood, it cost them a lot of money to take all their kit to a track, set up, and have nothing to broadcast.. Bottom line is UK Speedway had 'the cream of the crop' over here and each top league track got over £100k a year for a long, long time, (literally tens of millions was put into the sport), and when the contract ended UK Speedway wasn't any better at all for all that money they had received... And that is simply rank incompetence... Edited October 3, 2021 by mikebv 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 746 Posted October 3, 2021 Sky realised that no matter how much money was thrown the was of the BSPA nothing would change. In fact the product got worse with each year sky was involved, not the fault of sky who gave the BSPA some big contacts. The BSPA squandered the opportunity with sky. As for Eurosport isn't it been given to them pretty much free of charge, so they have nothing to lose! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,237 Posted October 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Sky realised that no matter how much money was thrown the was of the BSPA nothing would change. In fact the product got worse with each year sky was involved, not the fault of sky who gave the BSPA some big contacts. The BSPA squandered the opportunity with sky. As for Eurosport isn't it been given to them pretty much free of charge, so they have nothing to lose! Matt Ford said in the SS that the TV deal is around 10/11% of the Sky deal hence he decided it wasn't worth Poole being part of it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 746 Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: Matt Ford said in the SS that the TV deal is around 10/11% of the Sky deal hence he decided it wasn't worth Poole being part of it... The latter sky deals weren't that great from memory. I think you any have to look at how Eurosport have marketed speedway to get an idea of the cost/value to them. While the clowns are in charge of the circus speedway in the UK is only heading in one direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 955 Posted October 3, 2021 The sport in this country would be better off with no tv coverage at all, it’s descended into a made for tv sport with the live fan very much second in the thoughts. TV was responsible for the tactical ride and the play offs, gimmicks designed to turn it into something artificially closer, never mind who the better team or rider was. Also the only reason why these meetings now run into October is because of TV, everything should be done and dusted before October. TV was supposed to help the sport, not aid it’s demise. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted October 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, marko said: TV was supposed to help the sport, not aid it’s demise. If you want TV to help the sport it should be a 15 minute highlight programme. The TV could still show the "best race of the meeting" from four different angles, but the potential punters wouldn't be aware it takes over two hours to run. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Byker Biker 468 Posted October 3, 2021 7 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Sky realised that no matter how much money was thrown the was of the BSPA nothing would change. In fact the product got worse with each year sky was involved, not the fault of sky who gave the BSPA some big contacts. The BSPA squandered the opportunity with sky. As for Eurosport isn't it been given to them pretty much free of charge, so they have nothing to lose! You really are overstepping the line between opinion and knowledge; the Sky deal was substantial but not as much as cycling got, included league sponsorship (Sky Sports Elite League for all those who said the BSPA/L couldn't find a big name league sponsor), an element of the TV fees had to be channeled into youth development hence the BSPA contribution to the British Under 21, establishing the Under 19 and so on - it wasn't a fortune but it helped and an element to contribute to the Team GB set up (Pre the current arrangement with Rob). The lower professional league also had to receive a sum to plug a gap because they were competing with live tv (this was their annual BSPA fees paid). Terry Russell reduced his perpetual commission to a fraction of his finders fee and below his contractual arrangements despite all the clever comments on here. It was the cost of football and football only that led to the early settlement of the contract allowing Sky to save the cost of the live outside broadcasts - nothing to do with rain offs, audience figures or advertisers. Don't forget they binned the be all and end all Speedway GPs for the same reason, eff all to do with the BSPA/L Broadcasters need live summer sport to fill their schedules so offering what appears to be brewsters to minority sports is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of football 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 955 Posted October 3, 2021 "broadcasters need live summer sport" LOL not laughing at you Byker, just the notion that speedway is a summer sport but those who run it seldom run it actually in the summer months 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, marko said: "broadcasters need live summer sport" LOL not laughing at you Byker, just the notion that speedway is a summer sport but those who run it seldom run it actually in the summer months Surely May to September are the summer months? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 955 Posted October 4, 2021 They are Trees but during the peak of summer we hardly have any meetings, hence they have to be all crammed into the final month where it’s often cold and wet. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barry The Cat 78 Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/3/2021 at 8:40 AM, mikebv said: If it had been watched by enough people Sky would have kept it going as the advertisers alone would have been happy for them to continue with it... And if tracks had some kind of covers to increase their chances of running, rather than calling off meetings on 'damp but raceable' ' nights, I am sure Sky would have been more inclined to keep the contract open. As it stood, it cost them a lot of money to take all their kit to a track, set up, and have nothing to broadcast.. Bottom line is UK Speedway had 'the cream of the crop' over here and each top league track got over £100k a year for a long, long time, (literally tens of millions was put into the sport), and when the contract ended UK Speedway wasn't any better at all for all that money they had received... And that is simply rank incompetence... Yes, spot on well said but remember a fair chunk of the money was paid out in commission to the “party” that negotiated the initial contract with Sky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattB 177 Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 2:04 PM, arnieg said: In the case of the BSPL I think we'd be better off starting with small steps. How about a 5 day plan? Or even a five minute plan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,610 Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/3/2021 at 10:29 AM, marko said: The sport in this country would be better off with no tv coverage at all, it’s descended into a made for tv sport with the live fan very much second in the thoughts. TV was responsible for the tactical ride and the play offs, gimmicks designed to turn it into something artificially closer, never mind who the better team or rider was. Also the only reason why these meetings now run into October is because of TV, everything should be done and dusted before October. TV was supposed to help the sport, not aid it’s demise. What sport would think it would be better with no tv ? No one cared about the tactical ride and it was much better and fairer than the old ts rule that every figure showed you gave you more false results where was the live tv then ? . ..Nearly every other sports have plays offs including ones that are not on tv they are a massive plus and are part of todays modern sport . Also the sport has always ran to the end of oct and has always had important meetings and cup finals .... so yet again little to do with tv ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,962 Posted October 4, 2021 What a shambles this TV contract has been and is turning into. Currently the Peterborough match on Thursday is not being shown and the Belle Vue match is! Even though BV are 10 points up and the tie is effectively over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
