Plymouth v Newcastle Tuesday 31st August

[lisa-colette 6,022]

2 minutes ago, ruckerroo said:

Listening to garry mays interview i wouldnt be at all surprised if whatever is the better league 2022 plymouth might be in it .

I'm sure the prem would jump at the chance of teams moving up. Sheffield have made a success of it so no reason why Plymouth can't either.

[cityrebel 2,960]

7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

I'm sure the prem would jump at the chance of teams moving up. Sheffield have made a success of it so no reason why Plymouth can't either.

If there is only 2 leagues next season, surely Poole would have to move up as well.

[Fortythirtyeight 839]

11 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

If there is only 2 leagues next season, surely Poole would have to move up as well.

Isn’t it more a case of the ‘ premiership ‘ teams moving down ? as the standard is no different .

[cityrebel 2,960]

10 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Isn’t it more a case of the ‘ premiership ‘ teams moving down ? as the standard is no different .

I would expect the second tier to be a cross between the championship and the NDL. The poorer relations to move 'down'.

[lisa-colette 6,022]

1 hour ago, cityrebel said:

If there is only 2 leagues next season, surely Poole would have to move up as well.

Well...guess have to wait and see what they do. Kinda like Poole being in the Champ as it is. But I realise it isn't sustainable for other teams. So really need to look at what is sustainable for them especially if it means Eastbourne can come back and also what Oxford plans are regarding what league they are aiming to be in.

[mikebv 10,261]

1 hour ago, cityrebel said:

I would expect the second tier to be a cross between the championship and the NDL. The poorer relations to move 'down'.

Has to be the only logical conclusion doesn't it?

The "have nots" riding in a 2nd Div akin to the NDL level that previously existed, seemed to flourish, and provided value for money for the fans. .

So obviously not going to happen then.....  

[Fortythirtyeight 839]

1 hour ago, cityrebel said:

I would expect the second tier to be a cross between the championship and the NDL. The poorer relations to move 'down'.

Not sure who you think will want to move ‘ up ‘ when the likes of Poole only just came ‘ down ‘. Those clubs currently in the championship are there because that’s where they want to be, they won’t move ‘ up ‘ and won’t want a much weakend product although getting rid of the likes of Nicholls, Harris, Andersen , Masters,  Morris, etc is a must and will save the clubs a lot on wages.

[cityrebel 2,960]

21 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Not sure who you think will want to move ‘ up ‘ when the likes of Poole only just came ‘ down ‘. Those clubs currently in the championship are there because that’s where they want to be, they won’t move ‘ up ‘ and won’t want a much weakend product although getting rid of the likes of Nicholls, Harris, Andersen , Masters,  Morris, etc is a must and will save the clubs a lot on wages.

If next season remains the same as this, more track closures will be inevitable. Maybe the survival of the fittest, is the master plan.

[wtf 621]

I imagine the league will be based around Championship payscales, but depending on the Eurosport deal, might be "badged" as at Premiership level, but strangely missing what's left of the Top -ish level riders

 

[M.D 463]

I think it will be two leagues next season with a few clubs folding at the end of this year.

An 8 team top league with the second tier a semi pro league with the current middle order riders becoming the the top riders in that division.

[mikebv 10,261]

9 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

If next season remains the same as this, more track closures will be inevitable. Maybe the survival of the fittest, is the master plan.

To be honest I never saw any problem with that when there were simply too many clubs...

Instead, at that time, this natural evolutionary process that strengthens any species or entity, was completely ignored and everything was done to keep everyone going, no matter the impact to entertainment level, and league credibility. ..

Now it's very much a different time and clubs are being removed from the UK map at an alarming rate, therefore all Promoters need to work together and support their "weakest links"...

As without them all inevitably will end up disappearing too..

 

[TotallyHonestJohn 3,078]

17 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Not sure who you think will want to move ‘ up ‘ when the likes of Poole only just came ‘ down ‘. Those clubs currently in the championship are there because that’s where they want to be, they won’t move ‘ up ‘ and won’t want a much weakened product although getting rid of the likes of Nicholls, Harris, Andersen , Masters,  Morris, etc is a must and will save the clubs a lot on wages.

So no one moves up? do away with the "Top League" and everyone comes "Down"  and the NDL is run with the "second/junior teams of clubs only who can afford them" which leaves Mildenhall out on a limb a bit but bear with me... if the Monday and Thursday rule is stuck to for TV revenue then the clubs who may have genuine reasons for not running on those days are Newcastle; Kent and possibly Birmingham and the perceived (other) "Hard Up" clubs like Berwick and Scunthorpe (maybe wide of the mark with these comments but again bear with me) and maybe bring back Eastie and the IOW or even Oxford till they find their feet which gives 8/9 clubs in a mid way Secondary League and state to these clubs they can not utilise a rider with a 7 point average or more in the newly formed British Primary League it will save on costs; no temptation to go and get a perceived "top league" star on a ridiculous rate and no caps on riders wags who feel they might be worth more than they actually are; the market will dictate what they are worth to clubs.

If there are no brakes applied (pardon the analogy) then this run away wage chase will never stop. Promotions cant be trusted to stick to wage caps that's been proven more than once in the past so take the temptation away... likewise to strengthen the Primary League no one without an average of 6 or more in the Secondary League can move up (So 6 moving up divided by 1.5) can race in the Primary League which means the lowest average a rider you could have in the Primary League is 4 and for the Tertiary League (or NDL) no one can not move up to the Secondary League until they have achieved an average of 6 in the NDL (So 6 moving up divide by 2) giving a starting average of 2 for the Secondary League.

Build to say 45 in the Primary League 35 in the Secondary League and 30 in the Tertiary (NDL) to again restrict teams with unreasonable or unfeasible team building ambitions and this will potentially give 11/12 teams for a Primary League 8/9 teams for a Secondary League and anyone who can afford to run a junior team in the NDL can do so...

Last thing we need are more clubs closing down and there is still a need IMHO for a staging league in British Speedway as a pathway to the higher echelons of the sport...  this Rising Star thing although full of good intentions is a waste of time and effort as putting young kids in without racing time and experience under their belts at a senior level is just a joke. There is an average system and a process to see these junior riders progress and everyone goes through it from Craig Cook Steve Worrall Richie Worrall and Rich Lawson to James Sarjeant Max Clegg Willie Lawson Ashley Morris and Simon Lambert ultimately they all find their level.

Put the rule book in the bin and rule No 1 should be; there will always be a minimum number of rules to adhere too; if the rules run to a second page rule No 2 should be the BSPL will work to reducing the number of rules to one page. Do we not over complicate things at times?

Regards
THJ

[barrybishop 896]

I just want to say congratulations to Mark and his team at Plymouth in achieving something really quite special this season for speedway in the West Country.  Mark has truly worked his socks off, like us he gives literally all that he has in trying to ensure that fans, riders, sponsors and officials have a brilliant night out - he has delivered. He takes pride in his events, pride in his stadium, pride in his "show".

People of Plymouth, be proud because you have a good one here and you are now starting to see the acorn Mark planted grow in to an Oak. Businesses are starting hear of the Gladiators, and now have pride in aligning their brand with your club, fans are flocking back, great food, great service, good people.

Long may it continue. Congratulations.

[Jaizer 2,863]

1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

So no one moves up? do away with the "Top League" and everyone comes "Down"  and the NDL is run with the "second/junior teams of clubs only who can afford them" which leaves Mildenhall out on a limb a bit but bear with me... if the Monday and Thursday rule is stuck to for TV revenue then the clubs who may have genuine reasons for not running on those days are Newcastle; Kent and possibly Birmingham and the perceived (other) "Hard Up" clubs like Berwick and Scunthorpe (maybe wide of the mark with these comments but again bear with me) and maybe bring back Eastie and the IOW or even Oxford till they find their feet which gives 8/9 clubs in a mid way Secondary League and state to these clubs they can not utilise a rider with a 7 point average or more in the newly formed British Primary League it will save on costs; no temptation to go and get a perceived "top league" star on a ridiculous rate and no caps on riders wags who feel they might be worth more than they actually are; the market will dictate what they are worth to clubs.

If there are no brakes applied (pardon the analogy) then this run away wage chase will never stop. Promotions cant be trusted to stick to wage caps that's been proven more than once in the past so take the temptation away... likewise to strengthen the Primary League no one without an average of 6 or more in the Secondary League can move up (So 6 moving up divided by 1.5) can race in the Primary League which means the lowest average a rider you could have in the Primary League is 4 and for the Tertiary League (or NDL) no one can not move up to the Secondary League until they have achieved an average of 6 in the NDL (So 6 moving up divide by 2) giving a starting average of 2 for the Secondary League.

Build to say 45 in the Primary League 35 in the Secondary League and 30 in the Tertiary (NDL) to again restrict teams with unreasonable or unfeasible team building ambitions and this will potentially give 11/12 teams for a Primary League 8/9 teams for a Secondary League and anyone who can afford to run a junior team in the NDL can do so...

Last thing we need are more clubs closing down and there is still a need IMHO for a staging league in British Speedway as a pathway to the higher echelons of the sport...  this Rising Star thing although full of good intentions is a waste of time and effort as putting young kids in without racing time and experience under their belts at a senior level is just a joke. There is an average system and a process to see these junior riders progress and everyone goes through it from Craig Cook Steve Worrall Richie Worrall and Rich Lawson to James Sarjeant Max Clegg Willie Lawson Ashley Morris and Simon Lambert ultimately they all find their level.

Put the rule book in the bin and rule No 1 should be; there will always be a minimum number of rules to adhere too; if the rules run to a second page rule No 2 should be the BSPL will work to reducing the number of rules to one page. Do we not over complicate things at times?

Regards
THJ

Couldn't agree more about lack of a competitive national League. The reason we have this current talented generation of Brennan, Palin, flint, Kemp, Thompson's, bailey etc is because the grew up in a competitive league so were prepared for the jump to the championship. 

 

And looking forward to next season with this rising star nonsense is supposed to be getting extended, tell me who in the NFL currently is going to be ready for the step up? Maybe the lad hagon at mildenhall? Beyond that there's not going to be any riders to take the rising star places. 

 

In the last 20/25 years riders have progressed through that level so to more or less kill it this season has been shocking IMO. If Eastbourne, Birmingham and maybe even Newcastle had the option of the competitive NDL of 3/4 years ago they may have chosen that option and wouldn't be in the situation they find themselves in.

[lewy 2,325]

3 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

So no one moves up? do away with the "Top League" and everyone comes "Down"  and the NDL is run with the "second/junior teams of clubs only who can afford them" which leaves Mildenhall out on a limb a bit but bear with me... if the Monday and Thursday rule is stuck to for TV revenue then the clubs who may have genuine reasons for not running on those days are Newcastle; Kent and possibly Birmingham and the perceived (other) "Hard Up" clubs like Berwick and Scunthorpe (maybe wide of the mark with these comments but again bear with me) and maybe bring back Eastie and the IOW or even Oxford till they find their feet which gives 8/9 clubs in a mid way Secondary League and state to these clubs they can not utilise a rider with a 7 point average or more in the newly formed British Primary League it will save on costs; no temptation to go and get a perceived "top league" star on a ridiculous rate and no caps on riders wags who feel they might be worth more than they actually are; the market will dictate what they are worth to clubs.

If there are no brakes applied (pardon the analogy) then this run away wage chase will never stop. Promotions cant be trusted to stick to wage caps that's been proven more than once in the past so take the temptation away... likewise to strengthen the Primary League no one without an average of 6 or more in the Secondary League can move up (So 6 moving up divided by 1.5) can race in the Primary League which means the lowest average a rider you could have in the Primary League is 4 and for the Tertiary League (or NDL) no one can not move up to the Secondary League until they have achieved an average of 6 in the NDL (So 6 moving up divide by 2) giving a starting average of 2 for the Secondary League.

Build to say 45 in the Primary League 35 in the Secondary League and 30 in the Tertiary (NDL) to again restrict teams with unreasonable or unfeasible team building ambitions and this will potentially give 11/12 teams for a Primary League 8/9 teams for a Secondary League and anyone who can afford to run a junior team in the NDL can do so...

Last thing we need are more clubs closing down and there is still a need IMHO for a staging league in British Speedway as a pathway to the higher echelons of the sport...  this Rising Star thing although full of good intentions is a waste of time and effort as putting young kids in without racing time and experience under their belts at a senior level is just a joke. There is an average system and a process to see these junior riders progress and everyone goes through it from Craig Cook Steve Worrall Richie Worrall and Rich Lawson to James Sarjeant Max Clegg Willie Lawson Ashley Morris and Simon Lambert ultimately they all find their level.

Put the rule book in the bin and rule No 1 should be; there will always be a minimum number of rules to adhere too; if the rules run to a second page rule No 2 should be the BSPL will work to reducing the number of rules to one page. Do we not over complicate things at times?

Regards
THJ

It took you 6 pages to tell us we only need 1 page