OveFundinFan 4,133 Posted August 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, auntie doris said: 19000 looked about right around a quarter of seats occupied. How many do they need to make it financially viable. That would make it a 76000 seater stadium…. I don’t think it is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auntie doris 2,333 Posted August 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: That would make it a 76000 seater stadium…. I don’t think it is? 73931 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,133 Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, auntie doris said: 73931 Surprised at that, I would have thought 60k tops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auntie doris 2,333 Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Surprised at that, I would have thought 60k tops. They fence off some lower tier seats, perhaps 10000? Edited August 17, 2022 by auntie doris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
customhouseregular 1,651 Posted August 17, 2022 At this rate it will be one man and his dog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric i 604 Posted August 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, auntie doris said: They fence off some lower tier seats, perhaps 10000? Capacity for speedway was 62500, I am not sure if they cover up more seats now, but that's 11431 covered up/unviable. The highest attendance was in 2010 at 44,150, that was 70.64% of available seats were filled if you believe the figures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auntie doris 2,333 Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, eric i said: Capacity for speedway was 62500, I am not sure if they cover up more seats now, but that's 11431 covered up/unviable. The highest attendance was in 2010 at 44,150, that was 70.64% of available seats were filled if you believe the figures. Thanks eric ido you have attendances for any other years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric i 604 Posted August 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, auntie doris said: Thanks eric ido you have attendances for any other years? Ihttp://www.internationalspeedway.co.uk/extra9.htm 2011, 43,640 2012, 38,000 2013, 38,760 2014, 41,800 2015, ? 2016, 40,974 2017, ? 2018, ? 2019, 33,583 2022, 19,000( iffy someone spoke to someone who works at the stadium) I am not sure where exactly these figures are from so I not sure how accurate they are but they look more plausible than 45000/50000 quoted by some. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted August 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Hackett said: I read on here that VisitWales makes a significant contribution as long as there is no other SGP in the UK ???. Yes we know they do; but in the belief that it would be more like twice as many that would be coming. Try getting that money out of them when they realise the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: They did it in Prague early in the season, and they doing it in a Torun in a few weeks time. Spot the difference with the tracks though. And anyway ... Prague went ever so well, didn't it? This will be a one year wonder. Edit:IF there is an SGP2 Round in the UK next year; what are the chances on it being at Glasgow rather than Cardiff ? Edited August 18, 2022 by Grand Central 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,827 Posted August 18, 2022 20 hours ago, Grachan said: People are unbelievable really. We get one chance a year to have a Speedway meeting in the UK that feels like a proper sporting event and people don't want to know about it. Yes, the track was bad this year. But the event itself was still great even though speedway fans decided they don't want a proper sports stadium inconveniencing their schedule and stayed away. Watch Chris Harris winning in 2007. The riders were bouncing all over the place, but they still went for it. Jason Crump and Greg Hancock both seemed of the opinion that this track was no worse than the older Cardiff tracks. It had improved in recent years, though, which, I guess, is why this one seemed particularly bad. I also wonder if having the practice the day before added to the track cutting up. If Cardiff ends up being dropped because fans decide to stay away then it just proves that Speedway fans really are completely nuts. True it is a good weekend away, I think I have been about 7 or 8 times in 20 years, but "we" should expect the track to improve over the years not go back in time , give the riders a good surface to ride on and mor e often than not it will provide good racing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fullbore 129 Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, customhouseregular said: At this rate it will be one man and his dog. Remember the dog at Peterborough? Edited August 18, 2022 by fullbore Typos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,133 Posted August 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Grand Central said: Spot the difference with the tracks though. And anyway ... Prague went ever so well, didn't it? This will be a one year wonder. Edit:IF there is an SGP2 Round in the UK next year; what are the chances on it being at Glasgow rather than Cardiff ? Nothing wrong in holding SGP and SGP2 at the same track. Need the right tracks to do it. MotoGP/2/3 are together at every round. and I think when there is a F1 race there is at least one other formula the same weekend, just not shown as F1 race is so long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,863 Posted August 18, 2022 21 hours ago, False dawn said: I guess I must be a "True Speedway Fan" then? Especially as I now believe I was suffering from a touch of heat stroke after Saturday (seriously). But I do have a few observations. Where did the 19000 figure come from? And please don't say FaceBook. Is that an official attendance figure? Because if it is, that's the first time I've ever seen an official figure for any Cardiff GP (or any GP, I think). I did, during the day on Saturday believe that numbers were significantly down. At the fan zone, in the favourite pubs etc. But we came to the conclusion on the night that maybe a lot of folks didn't do their two nights in a hotel stay and opted to travel in for the Saturday meeting and go home. If the "norm" in the stadium on previous years was between 30 and 40 thousand, I estimate there was between 20 and 25 thousand there this year. It's always hard to be precise, even when you're there (I only found recently that there were 130 thousand at Katowice in 1973 when I was there!). Seriously, without reliable gate figures how can we really judge the level of support. This event was in the middle of a perfect storm. Massive concern about inflation, some lingering concern about COVID (sorry BP) and a heat wave that should have kept any sensible unfit person over 50 at home (I never was sensible). The racing was rubbish, we all know that. We also all know that the racing at Cardiff GPs is never great. The track was kind of okay (only kind of) but when you try to run another World Class meeting on it, less than 24 hours later, you should not be surprised when it doesn't hold up. Hindsight maybe. But don't do it again. I was happy to get the prospect of 46 races for my money (only 43 in reality) but Sunday has to be one of the worst meetings I've ever attended in more than 50 years. And that's coming from somebody who attends Leicester 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted August 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, topaz325 said: True it is a good weekend away, I think I have been about 7 or 8 times in 20 years, but "we" should expect the track to improve over the years not go back in time , give the riders a good surface to ride on and mor e often than not it will provide good racing. I agree. I wonder if the heat was anything to do with it this time. Or having a practice on it the day before. I tend to go every 3 or 4 years, but might go a bit more regularly now as I don't have a team to support. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites