phillwhitewasmad 1,487 Posted October 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Id argue that losing two teams throughout a season that started with only 8 sides is pretty disconcerting, throw in that only one stand alone team remains and they have very little say in their sole product certainly makes it hard to imagine why any new promotions would want to apply. I'd argue the two teams who pulled out should of not entered in the first place absolute folly in current climate 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doners123 85 Posted October 21, 2021 Just to open up discussions….. Are there any riders that people think are on low enough averages to improve considerably ? on to high averages that teams will find difficult to get them in ? any foreign riders that may realistically sign in the championship ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaizer 2,863 Posted October 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doners123 said: Just to open up discussions….. Are there any riders that people think are on low enough averages to improve considerably ? on to high averages that teams will find difficult to get them in ? any foreign riders that may realistically sign in the championship ? Cameron heeps is the obvious one Anyone with an average over 8 As a Glasgow fan and his father being my idol (see avatar) I'd like to see Fraser Bowes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) As long as the visa situation can be sorted then I reckon there will be at least 3 new Aussie lads to UK racing!!!! NB. with most fans raving about young Mr Hellstrom-Bangs, I see his interview in the Star this week reckons he'll be doing Poland/Sweden/Denmark in 2022, with the aim to do UK in 2-3 years time!! Edited October 21, 2021 by Skidder1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 valve 558 Posted October 21, 2021 20 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I feel the Championship needs to be weaker, 1) to encourage the likes of Poole / Glasgow / Leicester to step up Leicester can’t “step up” unless there is a change of owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewy 2,326 Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doners123 said: Just to open up discussions….. Are there any riders that people think are on low enough averages to improve considerably ? on to high averages that teams will find difficult to get them in ? any foreign riders that may realistically sign in the championship ? Jason crump definitely an improvement to be had Edited October 21, 2021 by lewy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 840 Posted October 21, 2021 18 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: British speedway desperately needs to get the likes of Thorsell, Lindgren, Zagar, Doyle, Milik back into the country... These are the types of riders the top league should have. Realistically we aren't gonna get Zmarzlik or Sayfutdinovs of the world... But a top league full of the names previously mentioned, would be really nice to see... Fricke, Lambert, Woffinden, Lebedevs... All these big names who are no more in this country... It's very sad to see. Totally wrong. The state of British speedway at this current time means they can’t afford to bring such riders in even if those riders wished to come. Those riders aren’t here because they chase the money and there’s none left in the UK. When Somerset signed Jason Doyle , world champion at the time, it added exactly zero to their gate receipts and created a massive hole in their wages budget. A recipe for disaster ? the club never recovered and where are they now ! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted October 21, 2021 20 hours ago, JanAndersen said: Disagree. British Speedway needs to make an effort to arrest the current decline. I don’t have the answer on how it is done but strengthening the top league has to be a better plan than running down the championship. Maybe the strength of the top league is 'maxed out'?,,, so if it was like painting, you might water down the undercoats to make the top coat look better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted October 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, lewy said: Jason crump definitely an improvement to be had Maybe he is just too old and not really interested, or old and not really fit enough compared to the younger riders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Maybe he is just too old and not really interested, or old and not really fit enough compared to the younger riders? Maybe he's just 'chip wrappers' now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,026 Posted October 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Maybe he is just too old and not really interested, or old and not really fit enough compared to the younger riders? Did really well at Poole when Plymouth were last down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,890 Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Skidder prob knows exactly why. But a figure around 30% lower costs in the Championship was said when discussing with fans if Poole should move down or not. Also some of that might be attendances as well. More Poole fans attend on Wednesday than a Thursday. That doesn’t explain why costs are higher. Whether there is more or less fans in attendance has no bearing on cost. It potentially has an effect on profit, but not costs. Some say it’s the same riders so therefore it has to be same costs - unless some promotors have got their sums wrong or actually it isn’t the same riders after all. Be interesting to see what percentage of all riders competing in the two divisions actually ride in both leagues. Edited October 21, 2021 by Najjer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dog 413 Posted October 21, 2021 23 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: Premiership 36 points team building with 1 x Rising Star Championship 30 point team building with 2 x Rising Stars The problem I see with this is that half the riders would achieve an average that would keep them out of a team for the following year. I'd go the other way and increase the team average to 49 or 50 points. You'll never build to that number but riders could race without fear of being redundant afterwards... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,273 Posted October 22, 2021 10 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Maybe the strength of the top league is 'maxed out'?,,, so if it was like painting, you might water down the undercoats to make the top coat look better. Spot on.. However.. To dilute the 2nd tier to make the top look stronger (the right thing to do for me as the sport needs a 'top tier' with a clear standard demarcation to 'sell it'), would mean a lot of riders not being allowed to 'double down'... Which may not be met too positively by both riders and 2nd tier promoters who, in the riders case, wont want to give up the chance to earn the money they did this year, and in the 2nd tier promoters case, they have become used to having "the best we have over here" riding for them, (maybe even doing so at a lower rate than the top tier pay them for the same thing)... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted October 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Doners123 said: Just to open up discussions….. Are there any riders that people think are on low enough averages to improve considerably ? on to high averages that teams will find difficult to get them in ? any foreign riders that may realistically sign in the championship ? Much depends upon the team building averages but if mooted low limits and 2 x RS then mathematically all riders 'should' see an increase. 'If' the team building plans are then held the same for 2023 it will means some riders have to move up or move out whilst making way for the next progressive riders to take their place.....in theory great but in practice the riders coming in will be the better of a weakened NDL, the riders moving up will be the better of a weakened CL and those remaining will be middle of the road riders but by 2024 they will be heat leaders and the process repeats. Constantly weakening the product at lower levels will only filter into 'the top tier' eventually the current route is just delaying the inevitable. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
